Sepideh linked to this video of Hasan Piker interviewing Melat Kiros in the comments yesterday. It’s worth a watch, for a couple of reasons. First, Hasan Piker is not the devil. He might have said a few dumb/outrageous things in his streaming career, but this interview shows that he’s smart and capable. Second, Kiros is smart and quick on her feet. She also cares about the right things (housing, healthcare) and has the same views on Israel and Gaza as most twenty-something progressives. Finally, she asked for money, and she’s a good example of how even a good candidate running against a very uninspiring opponent struggles to fundraise. The Kat Abughazalehs of the world, who can raise $4 million for a primary challenge, are few and far between. Kiros has raised $380K so far, which is a good amount, but she thinks she needs more to get the name recognition that she needs to win the primary on June 30. (The video doesn’t embed so you’ll have to click to watch it.)

A little more on Hasan Piker: I don’t hold any brief for the guy. But the outsized effort to paint him as some kind of a horrific crazy leftist is damaging to the Democratic brand, because most of what he believes is believed by a majority of Democrats. And it’s popular stuff that young people care about. Most recently, Josh Gottheimer is dishing to Fox that many of his colleagues secretly have a problem with Piker but won’t say anything about it. I would bet a big pile of money that most of Gottheimer’s colleagues had never heard of Piker until some consultants decided that it was time to get the left wing of the party in line, and chose Piker as a scapegoat. Hasan Piker just isn’t that important — and he’s getting 100X the scrutiny of far more popular and execrable right wing voices, starting with Joe Rogan, who is so “apolitical” that he spends his time kissing Trump’s ass in the oval office.

Moving on to AOC, I’ve cued this video up to the point where she starts to talk about her first orientation meeting after being elected. The meeting was chaired by the guy she beat, Joe Crowley, who was head of the Democratic caucus in his lame duck period. A Congressman at the meeting whispered in her ear, “Man, it’s such a shame that that girl beat him.” Her reply, “You mean me?”

Finally, I saw this on Bluesky and thought it pretty much encapsulated the whole Blue MAGA “if only for the stupid voters” mentality:

Oddly enough, some of those “stupid” voters did make their way to the polling booth, where they voted for Donald Trump for some not deep-seated reasons, starting with the belief that Trump would fix the economy that was obviously broken. Barack Obama has not made any of the kinds of noise that needs to be made to get attention in the current information economy. He’s hewing closely to the norms of the ex-presidency which Trump threw out the window. I don’t know how anyone who doesn’t follow politics closely would know anything about Obama’s current views on any issue. Yet it’s the stupid voters fault that Democrats lose, just like it’s always those meddling kids fault on Scooby-Doo.

(There must be some law that when someone posts something calling some group stupid, their post will inevitably include a misspelling. In this case, it’s “Barack” not “Barrack”.)

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Scott H6 months ago(edited)

Gottenheimer is another prime example of the Abundo/WelcomFest/MattY/New Democrats, ie., he's "Talented!", thus adored in other reactionary centrist, online spaces and media rolodexes everywhere.

You an always tell the "Talented!" center-right clowns because they're the ones Anderson Cooper will always have on his nightly show.

And I'm not one of those who gives a shit about St Barack's pronouncements, milquetoast, on-brand that they are. In fact, the more he stfu, the better off we are. He epitomizes the neolib/New Liberalism ideology that the Dem Party needs to shed.

And where have we read "if only the voters were better? nonsense? The same people who preach policies that drive away voters we have no business driving away and blame it all on racism and sexism and refuse to look in the mirror once in a while.

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Kay W.6 months ago

None of these people knew anything about Hassan Piker 6 months ago (because they read or listen to nothing new or outside their comfort zone) but all of a sudden he’s histories greatest Leftist monster who must be silenced? It’s fear- driven bullshit and it’s less and less effective with each consecutive target.

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tam1MI 6 months ago

I think we should be careful about throwing around accusations of "scolding" at other Dems, no matter how blue MAGA or moderate they may be. Mainly because it is right wing framing used to minimize and dismiss ideologies and causes that Dems work for and are passionate about. I saw many memes dismissing Bernie Sanders as a hectoring, finger-wagging scold, and am statrting to see AOC and the like characterized that way. It's an easy way to dismiss someone who you don't like while not ever engaging in what they are actually saying.

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Sepideh M6 months ago

I haven't seen anyone refer to AOC as scolding yet.

But referring to people as "scolding" is usually misogyny.

Hillary Clinton was definitely scolding, and she still is.

In fairness, no one wants to be treated that way, but I don't how you can go through decades of being ignored by overly confident stupid men and not become that way.

This administration has made me so tired of men who are stupid, and my exasperation with it all is a lot.

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Kay W.6 months ago

When Mamdani said he wanted a billionaire tax centrists went into overdrive with fearmongering. There was no actual policy discussion, no mention that MA had passed a wealth tax 2 years earlier, no real analysis. So, no, I don’t think they’re credible now that the target has changed to Piker.

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r po6 months ago

Silence implies assent. Assent to what? Assent to the notion that the current behavior of the Republican Party is normal, even if it is so very ugly.

NO.

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TXG1112 6 months ago

Gottheimer also had an op-ed in the NYT today with some mealy mouthed BS about there being a double standard on antisemitism in the Democratic Party. He needs to STFU and I will enjoy watching pro-Israel moderates get crushed in a vice of antisemities from the right and antifascists from the left.

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Marmot Pimpernel 6 months ago(edited)

Sorry if I’m repeating myself here. I always think of this when we talk Centrist Dem tactics.

John Cleese said he got his later Fawlty Towers hotel-manager character from a real person the Monty Python guys met on the road. Anyway, he said the man absolutely loved the hotel industry except for the guests!

You know, Reagan maybe started “no enemies to the right,” maybe not. But it fucking worked! Why do Centrist Dems adopt the right’s policies and not tactics like that?

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mister mixAuthor6 months ago

Since we're repeating ourselves, I'll repeat my observation that what scares centrists about the left is that the left actually means what they say. They want universal healthcare, they want housing reform. Centrists really don't want those things. So they latch onto Israel and call everyone who doesn't support a blank check for Israeli wars an "anti semitic."

In the AOC interview posted here, she said she's for abolishing the filibuster. Part of her reason is that she wants people to be responsible for their votes rather than hiding behind the filibuster. That's another example of something that scares centrists. They want slow incremental change and they don't want to take hard votes.

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Marmot Pimpernel 6 months ago(edited)

That’s my feeling too. I always used to wonder why legacy political journalists always focused on whether and how politicians would keep their jobs. I mean, they are basically all lawyers with experience In the US government! They’ll have absolutely no problem finding a freaking job. Do you remember the endless speculating— “what’s Liz Cheney is going to do now?!”?

Incredibly, it does appear to be their primary motivation. Keeping a job in the US government and working their way up toward the office of presidency. We need more people like AOC.

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Kay W.6 months ago

Also, the same people who are after Piker now were after AOC 5 years ago and after Mamdani a year ago. They freak out about The Left constantly so they’re no longer credible. Mamdani was histories greatest Leftist monster… until he wasn’t. Again - I don’t mind moderates or centrists. But they have to stop calling everyone to the Left of them racists and/or antisemites. It’s dishonest. Just say you don’t like the Left’s ideology! Attack that! Why is that so hard?

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tam1MI 6 months ago

But they have to stop calling everyone to the Left of them racists and/or antisemites. It’s dishonest. Just say you don’t like the Left’s ideology! Attack that! Why is that so hard?

While some may be accusations deployed to cover dislike of an ideology they dislike, other calls of racism, antisemitism, and I should add misogyny, come from seeing patterns of behavior that, to the person making the accusation, add up to racism, antisemitism, or misogyny. The idea that anybody who complains about racism, antisemitism, and misogny is engaging in some cunning deep-seated ploy to mask their true agenda is right-wing framing that really only benefits the right wing.

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Sepideh M6 months ago(edited)

What is happening in discussions of antisemitism is actually very bad. When Pam Bondi is accusing a Jewish member of Congress of being an antisemite because she won't denounce "from the river to the sea," she is not doing it out of deep concern for the Jewish people.

Accusations of antisemitism, racism, and misogyny in an effort to shut down all conversation and ostracize others were really a sore point with a lot of people in the run up to the last election.

To not be trapped in other people's frameworks of these discussions, we have to discuss these things with each other in real life even if it can be bumbling and awkward.

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Busted Knee6 months ago

Because they can't attack the lefts ideology. Again the top 20% that run our party, which exists entirely protect their status and power, know they are the minority. Not just in our party but our nation. They know that standing against the left on policy would get them thrown out of power. All they've got is race, sex, and gender.

They will not change until mobs storm their urban and suburban neighborhoods burning things to the ground and hauling them out of the wreckage screaming to face justice. It's or the cede power. Given they won't the next step is carnage.

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Kay W.6 months ago

Young people say Hasan Piker is on for hours and hours and hundreds of days so his saying something stupid is inevitable and not a big deal. They think we’re (older people) are insanely focused on occasional dumb shit people say to the exclusion of all else and that it’s petty. It IS petty. Honestly this is why people hate liberals. There’s a real propensity to SCOLD and nitpick while the world burns around them.

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Sepideh M6 months ago

They live in a world where they have been public on the whole internet since they were babies. Imagine all the poorly advised high school and college antics preserved for all time on the internet and the whole internet yelling at you about it.

One of my favorite YouTube channels is Kyle Hates Hiking. A bunch of people die on hikes doing stupid things. He was doing a story about a 17-year-old girl who attempted to climb Everest and did not succeed.

Anyway, this girl was making TikToks of her climb last year, but she couldn't post them until she got back. In one of her last videos, her lungs were full of fluid, there were burns from the cold on her face, etc. Everyone was like "you stupid influencer," but her TikTok wasn't that big, and she had trained for the climb doing other big climbs and holding records. It just didn't work out.

She is on a hike, attempting Everest again with her dad. https://www.adlers.com.au/

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Marmot Pimpernel 6 months ago(edited)

But what might the Right say if we don’t disown him!?

/s

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mister mixAuthor6 months ago(edited)

I think there's a real age divide in how people look at Platner's Reddit posts. There's a huge amount of scolding on BlueSky on that topic by older Dems.

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Linda Carruthers6 months ago

Spot on Kay.

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John S.6 months ago

I hereby declare the Booners the most stoopid group in Democratic politics. Chuck Shoomer is the leader of the stupid, and it burns. 😎

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mister mixAuthor6 months ago

In addition to the spelling error, what kills me about Blue MAGA and their heroes is they don't understand how to fight. Gottheimer, like Klobuchar, just pulling out the same playbook that they've been using for decades (shit on the left, move to the center, zero signs of being a loyal member of the party, lather rinse repeat) in the current environment where we're staring down years if not decades of Orbanism absent a fighting opposition.

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John S.6 months ago

Klobuchar is the current queen of clueless, and that’s saying a lot. But I’m sure other establishment Dems will step up to clown themselves as we get closer to the election. She is definitely not alone.