Trump’s approval is terrible. Here’s the latest Pew polling on that. Apparently, starting a war for no reason while threatening to start up the draft has have harmed his approval among younger Trump voters. Ditto for ICE roundups and hispanics.

Trump can be less popular than the clap and hemorrhoids, yet we know that a lot of those voters who are upset with him will still vote Republican. The question is who’s “gettable”. There’s a lot of motivated reasoning around this question, because a bunch of money gets funneled into Democratic consultants who will take those Trump disapproval numbers and try to convince us to adopt the Republican positions that donors seem to love.

G. Elliott Morris has a piece out that tries to separate the gettables from the never-gonna-get-its. He starts with what he calls “cross-pressured voters” — people who disapprove of Trump but don’t say they’ll vote for Democrats on the generic ballot. His polling shows a 12.7 point gap between Trump net disapproval and the Democratic generic ballot lead, which is 8.1 points in his polling. Here’s how he segments those voters:

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  • Pool 1 — real holdouts: 3.4% of registered voters. This group did not vote for Trump in 2024 and has no other Republican markers at all. These voters are the most likely to vote Democratic in 2026.

  • Pool 2 — Trump’s borrowed coalition: 0.8% of RVs. These are Trump disapprovers whose only Republican marker is casting a Trump vote in 2024; otherwise, they are independent and moderate or liberal. They are more Republican-leaning than the average voter, but not reliable members of the Republican coalition.

  • Pool 3 — Republican-aligned Trump disapprovers: 6.8% of registered voters. These are cross-pressured voters with current Republican markers: they identify with or lean toward the GOP and/or place themselves on the conservative side of the ideology scale. Many, but not all, also voted for Trump in 2024.

Pool 3 is a loss — they’re probably never going to vote for a Democrat. They’ll “come home”, especially in the 2028 general, even if they sit out 2026. When Morris adds in Pool 1 and Pool 2 — the “gettables” — into his generic ballot calculation, he ends up with D+13.3. That’s good!

Morris digs into the largest group of gettables, Pool 1:

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The first thing to know is that these voters have not really chosen against Democrats. For the most part, they have just not chosen at all. On the generic ballot, 83% of these voters say they “don’t know” how they’d vote, and just 17% say they’d vote for the Republican in their local district.

It is also, very clearly, a turnout story. Nearly 40% of Pool 1 did not vote in 2024. Another 26.1% voted for a third-party candidate. Only 34.0% voted for Harris, and none voted for Trump (because of the way we defined this group). The non-voter rate in this group is roughly four times that of firm Democratic voters.

And their demographic profile does not look much like the familiar suburban-moderate caricature. Pool 1 is 42.8% with no education beyond high school, 37.3% under $50,000 in household income, 24.3% Hispanic, 18.3% Black, and 26.0% under age 30, compared with just 8.1% over 65. More than three-quarters — 76.8% — are pure independents on the five-point party ID scale, and 57.2% are women.

In short, these voters are working-class, multiracial, heavily independent, and significantly politically disengaged. These are not voters who have carefully weighed the parties and decided they prefer Republicans. They are voters who are barely engaged. As I argued in “The Strategist’s Fallacy”, many voters do not think about politics the way analysts do. Pool 1 is a perfect example of this: they are low-information voters who have not fully sorted themselves onto either ideological camp. The biggest challenge in winning them is engagement, not persuasion.

So what do these voters care about? Prices, jobs, healthcare and social programs, not crime or immigration — look at the blue chart below.

As has been true for what seems like forever, there are a group of voters who are generally sympathetic to Democrats’ issues, they are unengaged, and we need to figure out how to connect with them and get them to vote. If they vote, they’ll probably vote for our candidates. I guess this doesn’t appeal to the large number of consultants and candidates who think that the only way to win is to try to court Republicans who will never vote for Democrats, but judging from the vast number of works of art about unrequited love, human nature just works that way.

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r po6 months ago

So I had a glance at Jamelle's YT channel. He's great. But I would think that. I am thinking hard about whether I should mention to my daughter and her BF as a normie but very betrayed old to share with their normie disengaged default lefty people in their generational cohort. My daughter despairs that her people can't trust anybody, anything.

Does top down work here? I just introduced the better half to Kat-A off one of MM's included videos and that worked great, but it is laterally.

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TBone Dinosaur6 months ago

Do it! It can't hurt to try but it can if you don't. I'm shocked sometimes at how much wisdom in choices of this nature my parents showed to me - we might not fully appreciate the thing immediately, but a good example nonetheless shapes worldview as we mature.

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Marmot Pimpernel 6 months ago(edited)

I read that G. Elliott Morris peace very carefully over the last couple of days. Good choice. It looks like the whole question was triggered by an article by “Lakshya Jain, a software engineer and the pollster for the pro-liberalism digital magazine” The Argument, which I have never read.

Morris gives Jain a little too much credit, I think, because he blames the editors for the article’s sort-of dual focus. Jain mentions LGBTQ rights, immigration, and especially crime as places where “Democrats are not actually repudiating the stances that they originally took; they are instead simply aiming to avoid talking about the issue in hopes that people will just forget,” in Jain’s words.

First, has anybody here actually read The Argument?

Can you tell me if my knee-jerk is completely wrong here: focusing on prices and other economic issues affecting the non-rich means afflicting the rich, and that is why Jain and his editors avoid it, consciously or unconsciously.

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mister mixAuthor6 months ago

I've read a couple of pieces in The Argument. It seems like a centrist oriented site. I agree that Morris was probably overly charitable about Jain's piece. There's no way that being tougher on crime is going to get voters who are Republicans to vote Democratic.

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Scott H6 months ago(edited)

Jain is a tool. It's editorial founder, Jersualem Demsas, was hired by MattY to write yimby bullshit at Vox. She's failed upward to write MattY crap for the Atlantic and now has massive reactionary centrist, libertarian funding for "The Argument". "Centrist oriented" is an understatement of a description.

Poster child for Centrist/Abundo/WelcomeFest/3rd Way hackitude.

"Pro-liberalism" my ass. They back the Slotkins and Mein Gluesenkampfs of the party, ie., all those Dems we are told are "talented" by other centrist hacks in other online spaces.

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Scott H6 months ago

"The Argument" was funded by a grant program called "Emergent Ventures" which is headed by glibertarian economist Tyler Cowen which itself is primarily funded by Theil and the Mercatus Center, a glibertarian think tank.

It exists as yet another influencer outlet designed to pull the Dem Party further to the right and hippy punch.

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Scott H6 months ago

"Stop speaking to these must-win swing voters as though they're Nikki Haley Republicans or fiscally conservative moderates." https://x.com/BenBWinsor/status/2006880495913807959

Even some of the centrist/abundo "pollsters" have been saying for months now:

Stop imagining swing voters as centrists! They're largely idiosyncratic, anti-system, economics-focused and think both parties are corrupt. “You wouldn’t believe the things I’ve heard in focus groups!”

But nope, let's double down on the messaging from the likes of the Hot Dog Princess (Slotkin) or Mein Gluesenkampf (Diet MAGA). And never, ever criticize Dem leadership cuz if you do, you are obviously a fascist.

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Marmot Pimpernel 6 months ago

Wait wait wait! A centrist has actually said “stop imagining swing voters as centrist“? As far as I know, the median voter theory is their key to understanding the motivations of all humanity! I would be very interested if you know of more of this.

And now I turn to Ruy Texeira, who claimed immediately after the 2024 election loss that Democrats needed to stop treating Latino voters as a monolith, but never offered even a hint about how they differ from each other. But the personal hobby horse he inserted was that Democrats needed to abandon trans people and some other scapegoats. This thing with Jain feels similar.

Texeira is the guy now at American Enterprise Institute who wrote The Coming Democratic Majority, about how demographics alone would eventually deliver us victory.

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TBone Dinosaur6 months ago

Me and older lady fellow shopper today:

Me: Daggone it, these prices are too freaking ridiculous!

Her: Ik,r? And there's nothing we can do about it!

Me: Oh yes there is - we can vote accordingly!

Her: You're right! I probably shouldn't say this out loud, but I'm voting a straight Dem ticket from here on out.

Me: Me too! Right on lady! And we should absolutely say it out loud!

We both smiled broadly and felt a little better and ignored any glares coming from under redhats.