I’m a casual observer of British politics, but it’s clear that something went badly wrong after Labour’s big victory and the elevation of Keir Starmer, who seems like the emptiest empty suit, to the position of Prime Minister. Just as with my Mexican politics fixation, i want to see what we can learn from Starmer’s utter failure.

Jamelle Bouie has an excellent video on this, comparing the Labour strategy to the “popularism” that centrist Democratic consultants are still trying to jam down everyone’s throat. I’ve edited some of the transcript and inserted it below the video:

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The British public was hungry for change, and Starmer was the change, but he didn't govern with an eye towards change. He governed with an eye towards stability, sensibility. He governed with an eye towards keeping things calm and, more than that, he adopted this theory: the reason voters had been attracted to the far right in Britain was that they were fundamentally dissatisfied with the center left's views on immigration and various cultural issues, in particular transgender rights.

In this vision, far right parties don't really have agency. They merely exist as a reaction to the failures of center left parties. They're not trying to pursue their own ends and interest for their own sake, they are merely responding to deficiencies left by the center left parties and those voters also are responding to the deficiencies, responding to the failures as they perceive them. The only reason why Reform might have support in this view is because Labour has not done enough to meet those voters where they are. If they could meet those voters where they are — if they could diffuse and co opt issues around immigration and trans rights — then they could box out the far right they could keep the far right from gaining traction. Because, otherwise, voters like Labour's overall economic and policy platform.

So Starmer pursued sort of two courses. The first was really to implement some left leaning measures in terms of running the government. [The second] was to try to outflank the right on immigration and migration, and transgender rights. Under Starmer the UK became so much more hostile to immigrants and so much more hostile to trans people. All of this under the theory that by doing this the voters who have left Labour to vote for Reform will come back into Labour's fold, understanding that they can have the economic policy and the social policy they want at the same time.

But this didn't work. What happened instead was that by going against immigration and migration and transgender rights among, and doing this in a prominent way making it really the centerpiece of Starmer's political approach, Labour alienated its core voters who are not the hard hats, but are rather the kind of college educated urban professionals — younger people, social liberals — that are the core of Democratic Party support in the United States. Those social liberals wanted a party to advance social liberalism, and Labour didn't just abandon that, but kind of poked their fingers in the eyes of those voters. [This was] under the theory that in poking at socially Liberal voters, at scoffing at them, they could win support from voters on their socially conservative right flank.

Not only did poking in the eyes of socially Liberal voters cause those voters to leave Labour and support the Greens, but also the voters they were trying to attract didn't care either. In their view, if Labour is going to vindicate our views of immigration vindicate our views of trans people why would we not still vote for Reform? Why wouldn't we just go for the the pure thing the hard stuff and not the half assed imitation?

Transcript of Bouie’s YouTube

The whole thing is worth a listen. Bouie is very good at extemporaneously voicing a position, coherently and succinctly.

From what I’ve read, Starmer had a record somewhat similar to Biden’s. He did some good things that didn’t get emphasized, and when he backed away from traditional liberal social policies (e.g., for both Starmer and Biden, immigration) that got a lot of attention in the press, and a lot of negative attention from the base. However, I’d say that British anti-immigration rhetoric was a lot more extreme than Biden’s policies, plus the Democratic anti-trans stuff was more ignoring anti-trans ads in 2024 than it was following an explicitly anti-trans agenda (until Democratic consultants freaked out after Harris lost).

Still, Starmer’s fall is a cautionary tale for Democrats. One thing that seems to be dogging Democrats, which isn’t something I’ve seen said about Labour, is the rank timidity of our messaging: “Affordability” all over the place. In a piece yesterday, Steve M called out this Talarico ad:

Talarico has a lot of money, and this ad is a classic, consultant-driven “intro” ad. It strives, in 30 seconds, to both show the candidate in a good light, and identify an issue that’s important to voters. It’s an impossible task that leads to a mush ad, and this one is pretty mushy. Steve M thinks it’s a big missed opportunity to hit out at Ken Paxton. He’s worried that Talarico isn’t going to tap the populist anger bubbling under the surface. You can read Steve M’s take — it’s not going to shock anyone who’s been reading this blog.

I guess my response to this ad is a little more muted than Steve M’s, because I frankly don’t think that TV ads work. Steve M points out that a cut from one of Talarico’s speeches on his website is far more compelling than this ad. If Talarico does what someone like Allred did, which is to raise a ton of money and then rely on airbombing the state with ads, he’s going to lose, no matter the content of those ads. Unfortunately for Talarico, his big opportunity is also a big risk: he needs to figure out a way to break through on the media people actually watch (mainly social media) with both a positive vision and pointed attacks against Paxton. That’s hard. Mush ads at the start of the campaign might be part of that, but if that’s all we get from him, he’ll lose, bigly.

Kay mentioned that there’s some kind of Talarico/Crockett feud going on in Texas, so that’s an issue. The most recent poll shows Talarico and Paxton neck-and-neck, with 10-13% undecided. That same polling also shows that people hate data centers. Instead of visiting a grocery store, Talarico should visit some folks living around a data center and make some promises about that.

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Kay W.4 months ago

The US really IS exceptional on a national identity built on an immigrant experience. The only country that comes close is Canada. The UK had an entirely different history and national identity. It makes comparisons useless, IMO. We in the US are supposed to be uniquely suited to immigrants and immigration. It’s supposedly part of our DNA as a country - we have no indigenous population (other than native Americans). Europe has no commonality with us on that.

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C P4 months ago

The US really IS exceptional on a national identity built on an immigrant experience. The only country that comes close is Canada.

Is this really true? Aren't most nations in the Americas built on an immigrant experience to a greater or lesser degree? It's why so many of them have birthright citizenship when the principle is much rarer on the other side of the Atlantic.

From what I understand, Spanish descendants aren't a majority or even a plurality in Argentina, or a couple of neighboring countries (much like English descendants aren't in the United States - German and Italian immigration was just that big.

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C P4 months ago

We in the US are supposed to be uniquely suited to immigrants and immigration. It’s supposedly part of our DNA as a country - we have no indigenous population (other than native Americans). Europe has no commonality with us on that.

But I totally agree with this - I remember a class in the mid-2000s where they were talking about the various challenges of the twentieth century, and thinking that the U.S. was actually pretty uniquely well-positioned among the major powers (compared to China, India, the EU) to face those challenges. In particular, with increasing mass migrations, the United States had a better framework and history for absorbing such people than anyone else.

Well, it's still true. But if we're determined to ignore and bury that advantage, it's not much good to us.

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Kay W.4 months ago

I don’t think we should compare European policy towards immigrants with US policy. European countries don’t hold themselves out as “a nation of immigrants”. The US has built an entire national identity around “give us your poor…” - Europe has nothing like this. I’m radically pro immigrant because I believe there is a human right to cross borders and I think we should lean heavily on American (stated) ideals and norms rather than comparing with countries like the UK.

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Marmot Pimpernel 4 months ago

I quibble, therefore I am.

dissatisfied with the center left's views on immigration and various cultural issues, in particular transgender rights.

I don’t believe this is actually what Starmer/Labor (and centrist Dems) think “voters” think.

Instead, they assume voters’ views occupy a continuum, and they try to ride the creaky, hoary Median Voter Theorem to victory by positioning themselves further “right,” thereby capturing more policy territory, and eating into the far-right’s marginal voters. They consider lefties a done deal, already bagged. Where are they gonna go?

The hilarious wrinkle is that in the UK, they can absolutely go elsewhere!

Also, there is no continuum. Schrödinger-style, voters’ issue views only appear when you ask—and generally those views follow cues from leaders and identity groups. Random normie views are all over the map until they coalesce with some group—usta be mainstream news!

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C P4 months ago

The fact that politics is so often understood as a continuum is probably a big part of why so many people who take it seriously struggle to grok fascism. Being the anti-intellectual shapeless thing that it is allows fascism to appeal to people from the entire political spectrum, all of whom think they're getting what they got into politics with. Which is how they end up with Glenn Greenwald lefties who think Trump's going to dismantle the military-industrial complex, David Brooks centrists who think Trump's going to save them from said lefties, and Marco Rubio type neocons who think Trump's going to restore the American empire, all following the same guy and thinking it's normal.

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Marmot Pimpernel 4 months ago

This is astute.

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tam1MI 4 months ago

*Labour alienated its core voters who are not the hard hats, but are rather the kind of college educated urban professionals — younger people, social liberals — that are the core of Democratic Party support in the United States. Those social liberals wanted a party to advance social liberalism, and Labour didn't just abandon that, but kind of poked their fingers in the eyes of those voters. [This was] under the theory that in poking at socially Liberal voters, at scoffing at them, they could win support from voters on their socially conservative right flank. *

The "college educated urban professionals" that Bouie warns against alienating are the very people that posters around here identify as the group that needs to be purged from the party or at the very least have their oinfluence severely curbed. According to Bouie then, taking that tack will result in another Starmer.

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tam1MI 4 months ago

I think the message from Starmer's disastrous tenure is much simpler - don't sell yourself as a Left-of-Center party than move to the Right. That is a a recipe for sure-fire failure every single time.

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Scott H4 months ago

That I agree with. Bouie's conclusion is, of course, wrong. He's got it ass backwards.

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mister mixAuthor4 months ago

I agree with the don't move to the right observation. I also think we're fooling ourselves if we think our base is "hardhats". In some places blue collar union members are the core, but certainly not in, say, Rochester NY. It's educated professionals and black and brown service workers.

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Marmot Pimpernel 4 months ago

I’ll chime in here that the college-educated professionals are now pro-labor, or at least that’s my understanding based on Pew polling showing 75% approval among Dems, 86% among “liberals.”

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C P4 months ago

I’ll chime in here that the college-educated professionals are now pro-labor, or at least that’s my understanding based on Pew polling showing 75% approval among Dems, 86% among “liberals.”

It's not just labor. IIRC, poll after poll shows that the most hardcore liberal - as in, consistently supportive of as left/liberal causes across the board and least prone to defecting - demographic in the party base is educated middle-class liberals.

A stupefying number of Democrats, many of them educated middle-class themselves, can not stand this. We're supposed to have a base of authentic, folksy, Manly Men like Stan Krazinski the hard hat and Bobby Lee Jackson the sharecropper back in the New Deal years. So they serve as the all-purpose punching bag.

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Marmot Pimpernel 4 months ago

It’s been a decade or so, but I still have Cokey Roberts’ voice ringing in my ears with that weird wistfulness-boredom of some old fool taking cheap solace in the never-changing cycles of the seasons or some shit.

“He fired up the base to win the primary, and now he’ll tack to the center to compete in the general.”

A story as old as time! But it’s not. And it stopped working, if it ever really did.

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mister mixAuthor4 months ago

There's one commenter that says we need to purge the "college educated urban professionals". Certainly not my view.

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C P4 months ago

I don't know how liberals are going to rebuild a coalition with a Lincoln or Roosevelt level of success, but I can tell you it isn't going to be by purging one of the only demographics in their voter base where their approval's still strong and growing.

Adults with college degrees are like two-fifths of the adult population by now. The number of people engaged in what we used to call white-collar work is even higher. Even if you limit yourself to the people earning six digits, that's still one-fifth of the population - saying we can get rid of their vote is as realistic as saying we can get rid of the Catholic vote.

Burning down the educated middle-class part of the coalition is not an option, full stop, not if you ever want to win another national election. The demographic isn't sufficient by itself, but then no demographic is.

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C P4 months ago

If they could meet those voters where they are — if they could diffuse and co opt issues around immigration and trans rights — then they could box out the far right they could keep the far right from gaining traction.

"Try to be better fascists than the fascists" has been SOP for most center and left parties this decade and it never works.

The most obvious (or at least familiar) pattern to me was France: in 2002, the first time the FN broke through to the second round, a massive coalition of conservatives, liberals, socialists, and others came out to vote them down by better than 80/20, suggesting that there was at least some appetite for an antifascist vote. In 2007, the next president decided that he was going to run on "winning back voters" from the FN. Every point since then they've increased their share, culminating in now where they're one of the two big/mainstream parties in presidential elections, even as people continued to appease them.

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C P4 months ago

This increasingly sounds like how all center-left parties in the West are self-destructing.

  • Alienate your educated socially liberal middle-class supporters.

  • Don't do anything to compensate for any losses there by regaining your older working-class base.

  • Try to square that circle by pursuing fascist voters, while also telling everybody that you'll be their shield against fascism.

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    mister mixAuthor4 months ago

    (2) were union members and our current donors don't like unions. So, under the bus they go!

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    Marmot Pimpernel 4 months ago

    Holy shit is that crazy, considering the favorability numbers I just looked up.

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    mister mixAuthor4 months ago

    Old former/current union members have become Trumpy, though as Kay points out, union members are still an important core constituency of Democrats, even though it's a rapidly shrinking one. But getting young folks into unions would be a huge win for the society (and also for Democrats), and educated professionals understand that. The stereotype of the educated professionals who have the same views as Mitt Romney might be true for some of them, but I think most of them understand that society has become fundamentally unfair and they want unions.

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    C P4 months ago

    The thing Kay keeps bringing up, as I recall, is specifically that union members were one of the few demographics that went more blue in 2024 than in 2020. (Doubtless due to Biden's policies having some effect).

    As near as I can tell, unions keep a lot of working-class voters, and specifically white working-class voters, "gettable" at least part of the time when without that influence, they'd just be straight Redcaps.

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    Scott H4 months ago(edited)

    To answer the question on everyone’s minds: No, Keir Starmer does not have a doctorate in political malpractice. He’s just that fucking good.

    Starmer was the model embodiment of a Tanden/Yglesias/Chait/Abundo/WelcomeFest vision for "liberal" governance. Purge anyone left of you and treat them with disdain while abandoning all campaign promises and moving rightward, which failed to appeal to conservatives and only emboldened the fascists.

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    John S.4 months ago

    Ken Paxton leading or even being competitive in a statewide race is a pretty good sign of how fucked up politics has become.

    Even 30 years ago, a guy that toxic couldn’t be elected dog catcher.

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    mister mixAuthor4 months ago

    I was surprised by the number of undecideds in that poll. It's a small number, I'll grant you, but how can you not have an opinion on Paxton?

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    Marmot Pimpernel 4 months ago

    Yeah, that’s your non-normie brain. It’s always shocking how little normies care or know about things that are actually important. But they’ll have watched the big game last night!

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    r po4 months ago

    That a strong majority of Texas Christians will vote for him, no matter the flavor, is an unfortunate confirmation that those sects are completely corrupted. I want to point to the contrast between those Christian sects and NYC Judaism. That has several sects and the right most flavors are pretty concentrated in the precincts Mamdani's endorsed candidates ran in, and they won. It's been a long time since I walked all over Crown Heights and Wiliamsburg but at the time the various Hasids dominated the culture. Through a good friend I know more than I need to about Lubavitchers (who shittalk Satmars). And those folks are about as conservative as it's possible to be. Though with some bonkers beliefs, TBH. And still Mamdani's candidates won.

    Urban vs suburban? Whatever is going on, there's a real divide there.

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    John S.4 months ago

    You just described most of my family that live in NYC. Very Orthodox, very conservative, and in the minority amongst Jews in NYC.

    It’s the opposite with evangelical Christians. The most conservative and extreme people are not only in the majority — they are running the government.