As Democrats consider Netanyahu’s latest war with Iran, let’s keep this in mind:

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When voters were asked how confident they are that Israel and Hamas will agree to a permanent cease fire in the near future, 17 percent say they are either very confident (3 percent) or somewhat confident (14 percent), while 77 percent say they are either not so confident (33 percent) or not confident at all (44 percent).

Voters were asked whether their sympathies lie more with the Israelis or more with the Palestinians based on what they know about the situation in the Middle East. Thirty-seven percent of voters say the Israelis, while 32 percent say the Palestinians, and 31 percent did not offer an opinion.

This is an all-time low for the Israelis and an all-time high for the Palestinians since the Quinnipiac University Poll began asking this question of registered voters in December 2001.

Among Republicans, 64 percent say the Israelis, while 7 percent say the Palestinians, and 29 percent did not offer an opinion.

Among Democrats, 12 percent say the Israelis, while 60 percent say the Palestinians, and 29 percent did not offer an opinion.

Among independents, 38 percent say the Israelis, while 30 percent say the Palestinians, and 31 percent did not offer an opinion.

I’m definitely in the 60% of Democrats on this one. Also note the 30% or so who don’t offer an opinion. That’s a political opportunity for people not afraid to touch this issue. I think Israel’s negatives could be pushed up drastically if someone with a platform started painting Netanyahu as a corrupt warmonger who endangers world peace and makes the US less safe after his bombing of Iran.

I don’t write about Israeli/US issues, except peripherally, because I don’t have any expertise, and because it’s so god damned frustrating. That said, this is a quality poll, and they’ve been asking the question for almost 25 years, and the trend is clear. I’d like to see responses to a few more questions, such as just general approval rating of Israel, because I think that anyone who’s tuned in to honest media about the way Netanyahu’s been running the country for the past couple of years is going to disapprove of the US having such close ties with his government.

I also think that our party is hurt by having Schumer in charge of the Senate. He may (or may not, it’s not clear) have a sizable constituency in New York that’s part of the 12% of Democrats who are on Israel’s side no matter how badly they treat Palestinians. His overly-broad definition of anti-semitism, and his reflexive disgust with protests at Columbia, are out of touch with the bulk of the party. (This NPR interview about his new book on anti-semitism is interesting when he dances around specifics that I think refute his general case.) It’s very telling that one of the few things that Schumer seems to engage with passion is anti-semitism and protecting Israel.

In addition to his own political situation in New York, part of Schumer being out-of-touch with the party has to be because, like Biden, being very tight with Israel is a almost 70-year tradition with Democrats. Again, people need to retire at a reasonable age because as they get older, they get more out of touch.

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TBone Dinosaur1 year ago

I have only this to say right now, quoting Jimmy Kimmel:

"General Useless S. Grant"

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TBone Dinosaur1 year ago

Digby concurs: "Iran wouldn’t capitulate, Netanyahu told him to pound sand. Putin and Zelensky aren’t doing what he tells them. He’s clueless about how anything actually works believing that the world is literally a playground where the biggest bully runs the show. He’s obviously confused and out of his depth.

Meanwhile, he has fired his national security staff, hired amateur fools to handle diplomacy, a talk show drunk is in charge of the military and a weird cult member runs the nation’s intelligence agencies. Oh, and he’s alienated all of our allies."

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John S.1 year ago

Funny enough, to my very conservative Orthodox Jewish relatives in New York, Chuck Schumer is a sellout who is no friend to Israel. Perception can be an interesting thing.

It also makes you wonder what good it does to have a Democratic leader who is way out of sync with the party base, and will never get credit from the people he sides with.

I mean really, who the hell is Schumer’s constituent base at this point, and how few of them actually exist?

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Sepideh M1 year ago

Okay, tag, I am it. Like you, I don't like to touch this issue because it is complicated with a long history that I don't know. Wasn't Bill Clinton supposed to solve this when there were two proper sides to Israel and Palestine?

That said, I started hanging out in more Muslim spaces online just to see what people were saying. Typically, some white anti-Palestine person would start stirring nonsense. Like Islam is great, poop on Israel except maybe with bigger words. This would put us down the road to anti-Semitic nonsense quickly.

Some white convert posted some verse from the Quran under a picture of eight "martyrs." Martyrs means eight leaders in what happened on October 7.

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Sepideh M1 year ago

So when the fire-bombing happened in Boulder, every politician showed up to up-lift a group that said they were waving the flag of Israel to support the people held by Hamas, but that group does not get to celebrate an Israel that was shooting into a crowd gathered at an aid station in Rafah killing 30 people that same week and pretend that the flag carries no other meeting than support for the hostages held by Hamas.

That group was on the Pearl St Mall flying the flag of Israel walking back and forth on the walking mall speaking to NO ONE every weekend, and they felt that the police owed them safety. I saw them once, and I was like "What is that?" because it is damn weird.

They didn't deserve to be firebombed, but what they are doing is inflammatory even if it serves politicians well to pretend otherwise.

Post 9/11, all the mosques were infiltrated by FBI. The current batch of anti-DEI leaders is too stupid to do that, yes?

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Sepideh M1 year ago

Where I wrote "anti-Palestine" in the second paragraph, I meant pro-Palestine.

Sorry for writing so much on this. I found the events that happened extremely disturbing.

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John S.1 year ago

Thanks for sharing.

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tam1MI 1 year ago

I don't think any Dem politicians not named Rashida Tlaib are going to touch this issue with a 10 foot pole. Not when nutbags screaming "Free Palestine!" are burning American citizens to death in terror attacks. The attack ads would write themselves.

If Trump starts saber-rattling in Iran's direction, Dems might get some mileage out of a "just keep out of it, it's their business, not ours" approach. But that's about it.

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Sepideh M1 year ago

It's not they are not going to touch the issue. It is that they are going to actively amplify the pro-Israel position.

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Bob O'Connor1 year ago

Poll questions need to leave room for nuance. No category for "former reflexively pro-Israel opinion shifting because genocide". So yeah, I'm in the 60% too. But Israel has changed and not for the better.

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mister mixAuthor1 year ago

Agree -- that's why framing it as anti-Netanyahu rather than anti-Israel is the way forward for Dems.

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Scott H1 year ago

This. I've been a Rescue Ranger at DK for close to 20 years now and one of our earliest rules was "Never pick an I/P diary" for obvious reasons.

Netanyahu should always be the target here, not a generic "Israel". That way, people like me don't tune out Dems who sound pretty much like the Horseshoe Left on this subject.

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TXG1112 1 year ago

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mister mixAuthor1 year ago

I wonder if bombing Iran will get him to change his mind. He does like a war.

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C P1 year ago

Yeah, the Democrats fucked up the politics of this really good last year, largely by assuming that they could continue not even pretending to try and please anyone but the pro-Israel side. The politics of this issue aren't where they were after 9/11, or even ten years ago, and the changes are especially there among the Democratic-leaning.

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Kay W.1 year ago

Democrats attacking the student protestors was disgusting. I will never forget it. All our bullshit about "norms" and " the rule of law" and three quarters of the Democratic Party meekly go along with Netanyahu. The students think we are full of shit on human rights and you know what? WE ARE. The students have been correct on every single claim they made - Democrats should apologize to them. We didn't stop Netanyahu when he slaughtered 75k Palestinian civilians and unsurprisingly Netanyahu took that as a green light to attack Iran.

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Kay W.1 year ago

I'll also never forget them denying pro Palestinian advocates entrance into the convention - shameful.

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Sepideh M1 year ago

They chose to have the family of one of the hostages speak, and they denied that to any pro-Palestinian activist.

Hersh Goldberg-Polin, whose parents spoke, was killed by Hamas about a week after that convention.

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Tam R1 year ago

The answer to why the campaign stopped saying weird and why they trotted Liz Cheney around is because we lost millennial democrats over Gaza and they were trying to make up for the losses.