Kay wrote a really good post about Numbers a while back. I want to expand and broaden that out just a bit.

I believe it is important to try to wrap our collective minds around the almost unfathomable scale of some of the numbers we hear bandied about every day. I’m also hoping that engaging in this exercise leads to a better understanding of how some of these numbers warp our perspective and our view of society/policy/politics.

Here is a post today fro on Bluesky:

Let’s dig in.

Per Claude - confirming what most of us already knew - Elon Musk is currently the wealthiest person in the world, worth approx. $645 billion (that’s $645,000,000,000). If his SpaceX public offering goes through, estimates are he will be worth over $1 trillion (that’s $1,000,000,000,000).

Now, a few thought exercises.

Now, let’s take a quick look at U.S. government spending.

  • The U.S. spent approx. $6.75 trillion in its last fiscal year 2024 (Oct 2023-Sep 2024). This includes everything - military, Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, and everything else. The population of the U.S. in 2024 was approx. 335 million people. That means the U.S. government spent approx. $20,000 per person.

  • The U.S. spent approx. $70-$80 billion on foreign aid in fiscal 2024. That amounts to only about 1.2% of total U.S. spending in fiscal 2024.

  • When you hear politicians saying we can’t afford to spend $1 billion here or $1 billion there, we need to understand that $1 billion is approx. .015% of total federal spending and approx. $3 (yes - 3 dollars) per person.

  • On the flip side, estimates are that approx. $650 billion of taxes owed goes uncollected (or almost 10% of our gov’t’s total spending). That’s also around $2,000 every year that every person in the U.S. is forever on the hook for because wealthy people cheat.

The numbers in our society have gotten so big that we have trouble truly processing what they mean and what their impact is in our society and in our government.

I believe it is imperative for us to find a way to make all of this more understandable. Perhaps adding a “per person” number on all of our government spending? Adding percentages to spending numbers and to budget cuts when they are proposed (for example, destroying U.S. Aid - which had an annual budget of approx. $20 billion - potentially reduced our government spending by around 0.3%)?

To me, two things stick out.

  1. Back to LOLGOP’s Bluesky post, inequality that has resulted in centi-billionaires, more than almost anything I can think of, is destroying the fabric of our society;

  2. It is critical to educate Americans on the relative meaning of our government spending and the “numbers” impact of certain spending/cutting decisions so we can better assess actual impacts on our lives of those decisions:

    1. For example, doesn’t investing an additional $80 billion in the IRS over ten years (which Biden and the Democrats did through the Inflation Reduction Act and which was recently “clawed back by Trump and Republicans) to catch tax cheats and collect more taxes owed make total sense? After all, the additional $8 billion per year is around 0.12% of our total annual gov’t spending and around $24 per person per year.

Numbers. So easy to read but sometimes so hard to understand.

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Marmot Pimpernel 6 months ago

I believe it is imperative for us to find a way to make all of this more understandable. Perhaps adding a “per person” number on all of our government spending? Adding percentages to spending numbers and to budget cuts when they are proposed … ?

My favorite way to present big numbers is to compare them to existing programs, especially the size of the defense budget.

Per capita and percent of total spending are useful, but with decades of Repub bullshit about how we can’t afford good things, most people start off unable to grapple with the scale.

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Joe is Wypoxic6 months ago

That's the problem, right? Maybe a program to program comparison is a good idea (i.e., US Aid was 2% of the military budget)

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Marmot Pimpernel 6 months ago

I doubt it’s even 2%, but it writes itself.

“With that money, we could do USAID 50 times over—and couldn’t we make more friends that way than killing kids in Iran?”

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Kay W.6 months ago

Agree. I think the first thing is to persuade people to stop insisting our current billionaire situation is business as usual. It’s not. Billionaires spending on elections has skyrocketed just since 2008. This is like nothing we’ve ever seen before.

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Scott H6 months ago

https://flic.kr/p/2s32pVp

Graphically depicted.

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Joe is Wypoxic6 months ago

Thx Scott!

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John S.6 months ago(edited)

Some more fun numbers that popped up this week.

Our debt has exceeded 100% of GDP. So we now owe far more than we make.

More than 25% of that debt came from Donald Trump. The man who never met a business he couldn’t bankrupt.

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mister mixAuthor6 months ago

This just means we have to cut social programs more, especially if Democrats get some power. /S

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Scott H6 months ago

And the last time that happened was during World War 2.

And instead of a world war, it's all been to prop up real estate prices, tech bubbles, and tax cuts on the rich, since the subprime crash.

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John S.6 months ago

Wait until we cross the “maginot line” of 5% bond yields. Then the real fun begins.

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C P6 months ago

"A billion dollars is the socioeconomic equivalent of a loose nuke" - John Rogers

At the time, a trillion wasn't even in sight.

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mister mixAuthor6 months ago

If his SpaceX public offering goes through

That will be interesting since he's been doing sketchy shit like buying Teslas using SpaceX money.

Part of the problem with tech billionaires is they don't ever sell their stock, they just take out loans on it. At some point they get to be "too big to fail" because they owe the bank too much money...

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Joe is Wypoxic6 months ago

Yep. And they don't pay income taxes on the loans or ever have to sell the stock so their heirs then get stepped-up basis when they die and no one pays taxes on the capital gains that have accrued over time. Talk about a rigged system...

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John S.6 months ago

Robert Reich talks about it all the time. 😉

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John B6 months ago

One thing I noticed on a tour of Kennedy Space Center a few weeks ago: The SpaceX launch facility had a lot of Cybertrucks parked out front. . . and a lot of Chevy, Ford, and Toyota trucks doing the actual work.

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Joe is Wypoxic6 months ago

Hahaha. Just another example of how the obscenely wealthy get to shuffle things around with no consequences. Boost Tesla sales, hide the costs in a new IPO…

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Sepideh M6 months ago

In his lawsuit with Sam Altman he is having to speak under oath about his companies.

https://gizmodo.com/under-oath-elon-musk-seems-to-run-a-different-company-than-public-figure-elon-musk-2000752839