There was a good discussion in Kay’s post yesterday, and reader S sent me this thread from Twitter that I thought was pretty good and a bit about Kay’s topic yesterday. It’s by Amanda Fischer, who’s a former aide in the House and Senate and who was chief of staff at the SEC. I’ll just cut/paste it below:

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Re Abundance discourse: I work on financial policy not infrastructure or industrial policy but to my mind these “endless studies w/out action” were the provenance of corporate friendly Dems that recognized economic problems but didn’t have courage to tackle them head-on

Take Dodd-Frank: we knew we needed a uniform fiduciary standard for providing retail investment advice but it got whittled down to a redundant “study” of a problem that was already well-known.

Same with mandatory arbitration: instead of just ordering the CFPB to ban or limit it, Dodd-Frank mandated a ponderous study that slowed down the final rule and led to it eventually being CRA’d

Credit rating agencies: lots of well-known problems and financial crisis reports about it, but yet again: Dodd-Frank ordered a study and then nothing substantial really happened

Too Big to Fail studies and foreign exchange swaps studies and on and on. All tactics to avoid addressing problems or taking accountability for actual decisions. The study as the head-fake is a common tactic.

I know Abundance is about like a homeowners association in Berkeley stopping housing construction or whatever & I probably agree with them, but it is just so disconnected from the framework I encountered in a decade of economic policymaking on the Hill.

And @ChopraUSA famously called the Dodd-Frank systemic risk regulator "book report club" because it did so many studies of issues without acting

The general point I’d like to make here isn’t about abundance. Rather, the issue is legislative failure. In the case of Dodd-Frank, the failure is the book report club rather than re-regulation. The moment was there, the Democrats had power, and we failed. We failed to produce meaningful reform. We failed to punish those who caused the 2008 financial crisis. We talked some big talk and followed it up by little action. We were so happy about Obama’s win and so hopeful about Obamacare that we didn’t notice that the bill that was supposed to “fix” the problems that caused the Great Recession didn’t really get the job done.

Too clever by half, like most of the legislation that Democrats produce, Obamacare included. Big issues were kicked down the road for a fix later, a fix that will never happen.

As we’ve seen, Republicans generally have no interest in legislation that does anything but dismantle government. We’re the “responsible” party. We’re supposed to do something. In 2009, the public would have accepted a bill that mandated stringing up Wall Street criminals up by their heels and parading them through every large city in the US. There’s absolutely no argument to be made that the public would have resisted a financial reform bill that went way, way farther than Dodd-Frank — they would have welcomed it. Instead, they got a womp, womp sad trombone of a bill. Voters aren’t stupid. They waited for something, and nothing arrived.

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r po1 year ago

It turns out our sober minded centrist leadership Ds are the jedi masters of focusing on studying kitchen table issues.

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Tam R1 year ago

You would have hated Social Security when it first passed too. It totally sucked. Would it have been better if we just dismissed it and didn’t keep working to improve it?

The history of progressive legislation is never getting all that we want in the first pass. Thankfully previous generations of Democrats were made of tougher stuff.

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TBone Dinosaur1 year ago

We used to have Glass Steagall too.

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mister mixAuthor1 year ago

The difference between SS and Dodd/Frank and ACA is that SS was one of the early moves in a New Deal coalition that lasted until the passage of Medicaid and was destroyed (knowingly, by LBJ) by the Civil Rights Act and associated legislation. Dems had massive congressional majorities for most of that time, and there was no comparable influence from donors on Democrats. The New Deal was the progressive backlash / response / reform after the gilded age transformed into the roaring 20's. The public supported New Dealers for years because they knew they were being rescued from financial servitude and exploitation by the rich.

Unfortunately, though the Great Recession offered a similar political opportunity to Democrats, we didn't take it. And you may not like my hindsight, but it is 20/20. The political environment has changed and we would be a much more successful party if Dodd/Frank had teeth and the ACA had a public option.

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John S.1 year ago

The world we currently live in makes the Gilded Age look like amateur hour. We keep begging for the Democrats to wake up and capitalize on the opportunity to push back hard against the oligarchs, but they seem disinclined to do so.

It’s ironic because Democrats lionize FDR and the New Deal, but they don’t want to do what the party did back then to be so successful. I shudder to think what it would have been like if the doofuses in charge now were running the show back then.

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Scott H1 year ago

Slide into fascism?

I know that term gets overused but any student of US history from that time frame, knows that we had plenty of fascist-curious people in this country that would have gladly welcomed such approaches to get them out of poverty.

And the corporate class of the period would have loved it.

Instead, we had FDR and the New Deal to show how a democracy could do it.

But again, that required people with leadership and vision.

And it's always a "tell" when people yammer about "well, what's your idea?" as cover to justify their shitty ones. I see this in centrist world All. The. Time.

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TBone Dinosaur1 year ago

The concept of noblesse oblige has been turned on its head.

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r po1 year ago

Yes but why did SS suck at the beginning, precisely? Was it because it required an immediate large monthly cash outlay with tax paperwork complexity requiring another non-trivial cash outlay for professional tax form preparation just to insure against catastrophic health issues? Or was it something else?

And then we might contemplate exactly who was eligible, at the beginning.

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tam1MI 1 year ago

A couple of nights ago I watched a documentary on Netflix about the GameStop short squeeze. The filmmakers interviewed a bunch of people who had gotten in on the squeeze. It was amazing how many of those people cited the 2008 banking disaster as a reason to get in on the squeeze. (One person's parents had lost their house due to the crash). I remember at the time seeing posts on message boards saying, "I bought $100 of GameStop stock. I don't care if I lose money on the deal, even if I lose my entire investment, I'm only out $100. And $100 is a small price to pay to make those f*ckers bleed".

Bottom line: The Dems had a real opportunity to lock down and make their majority permanent thanks to the bankers malfeasance. And they blew it.

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John S.1 year ago

And now there’s a rift in MAGA with the fallout between Trump and Musk creating a hole big enough for Democrats to drive a tractor trailer through.

Will they blow this opportunity, too?

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tam1MI 1 year ago

Matt Iglesias is advising Dems to try and bring Elon Musk over to their side.

::Headdesk::

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John S.1 year ago

Yeah, that will work. I guess Matt Y missed the part where Musk hates the bill because it doesn’t inflict enough pain on Americans.

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Scott H1 year ago

MattY: Elon come back. Elon: I’m a Nazi. MattY: the left only wants to shrink the tent.

Jonathan Chait said recently in the Atlantic, in effect the quiet parts out loud, that abundance is about defeating liberals and remaking the Dem Party as a libertarian, Never Trump Republican Party so let’s stop pretending it’s anything but that.

They want a two-party system made up of the center-right, them and their podcastocracy and the far-right.

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Scott H1 year ago

Great takedown of Abundance Coachella:

https://archive.ph/Bj8Ac “Watching hundreds of nerds get together to bash the left and gush about abundance was as off-putting as it sounds”

Her twitter post was great:

“I took one for the team”

Not mentioned were the slew of twitter influencers attending like grifter Cassie Pritchard that are so glowingly mentioned by the trench coat glibs at the other blog.

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Kay W.1 year ago

Agree. I think the failure to hold anyone accountable for 2008 was profound and did a lot to erode trust in government.

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Scott H1 year ago

The best sign from that time is the "Jump, You Fuckers" from Wall Street.

And we pissed it away.

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Sepideh M1 year ago

The unions started the Fight for Fifteen, and the Democrats for so sold out to corporate interests that they didn't even try to get people ten. The minimum wage is now below the poverty line. That is the type of "abundance" we live with now.

We shouldn't be singularly focused on "housing is too expensive in cities." That is how we lost last time-- with no concern at all for rural interests.

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tam1MI 1 year ago

I agree we need to talk about rural concerns more, but housing right now is a real crisis that needs to be addressed.

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Sepideh M1 year ago

Discussions on housing should be coupled with discussions on rural health care. Both of these things are super important.

The housing discussions should not be spilling into rural conversations because they make no sense there, but the health care discussions can spill into urban areas.

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mister mixAuthor1 year ago

Housing isn't a purely urban issue. Though it has eased recently, housing prices are up in the small town where I'm living, a place where you used to be able to buy a 75K house and live comfortably. I hear some of the prices that people are asking (and sometimes getting) and I'm shocked.

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Scott H1 year ago

On this we agree. Plus, any housing debate reveals the divisions in the Dem party between people like me and other housing justice advocates and trickle-down New Dems/New Liberalism clowns as epitomized by everybody attending Abundance Coachella.

Here's a piece I think you'd like:

https://lpeproject.org/blog/the-political-economy-of-the-urban-rural-divide/

FYI, I ordered the book you recommended, Cutting School by Noliwe Rooks. It's next on the reading list after I finish the Collected Works of Charles Portis.

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TBone Dinosaur1 year ago

Well at least this song by Willy Porter arrived. "How To Rob A Bank"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kF6xg3VyCd8

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TBone Dinosaur1 year ago

The Racket is checking in on the current status of the aptly named

Gold Man Sacks

today.

https://www.racket.news/p/nothing-stops-goldman-sachs

Gombeen everywhere

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TBone Dinosaur1 year ago

"Goldman learned their lessons well in the 2000s: They can do just about anything they want and if they are caught, all they have to do is pay a fine, maybe give a half-hearted mea culpa and then get right back to business as if nothing happened.

Because nothing does happen."

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James Powell1 year ago

Recall Dick Durbin saying, "And the banks -- hard to believe in a time when we're facing a banking crisis that many of the banks created -- are still the most powerful lobby on Capitol Hill. And they frankly own the place."

The Democratic majorities in both houses were filled with Blue Dogs. Obama was also far too deferential to the financial establishment.

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Scott H1 year ago

All one had to do was look at his financial team and could easily play out exactly what happened.

A lot of Democrats don't wanna admit this but Obama came in with a massive coalition and potential Reagan-style realignment but squandered it on hiring Wall Street guys who protected the banks at all cost while millions lost their homes.

One of the most gifted politicians of his era with the most tepid politics unsuited to that gift...outside of Obamacare.

Fischer's piece should be required reading for everybody who, because of Obama, convinced a generation of Dems that you can will your way to power via platitudes.

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Kay W.1 year ago

I was very disappointed there were no prosecutions after the financial crash. It wasn’t wholly the fault of lawmakers though - the DOJ has been coddling wealthy criminals a very long time - it’s part of the culture of the place - pathologically risk averse. There’s a good book about it - “The Chickenshit Club” - the book posits that DOJ lawyers are careerist ass kissers to power

https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Chickenshit-Club/Jesse-Eisinger/9781501121388

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mister mixAuthor1 year ago

Yeah, you're right. Thanks