Josh Marshall makes a really good point:

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I’m cautiously optimistic about the range of demands Democrats are currently making to get their votes. But I’m not even sure specific demands are even the right approach (though perhaps they are). I saw Bill Kristol saying earlier this week that Democrats were struggling to coalesce around a specific list of proposals or demands. That’s not what’s important, he said. What’s important is simply to say, No! I’d expand on that by saying that I’m not sure it’s a good idea to get forced into being the side that comes up with a proposal. If I were up there I’d say, we won’t stand for any of this. We don’t want a masked secret police preying on American communities. You want our votes. You solve it. You tell us how you’re going to clean up your mess and the chaos and bloodshed you’ve caused. The public really, really doesn’t like this. Republican politicians are looking for ways to get out from under it. I don’t think Democrats need to do Republicans’ work for them. It’s a moment when the job of the opposition is simply to say, No!

This is simply not in the DNA of Democrats, and I’m saying that as an observation rather than a criticism. The dynamic of the MAGA-fied Republican Party is that all they want to do is shit talk on right wing media outlets and break stuff. They have no interest in legislating, in any legislation (even if it benefits their constituents) or even in showing up. So the Democrats, who want to do things, are constantly offering proposals — essentially, we’re begging Republicans to do their jobs.

The Republicans aren’t stupid. They realize that they need to do something. So what they do is vote against the big omnibus bills that Democrats muscle through Congress, and then they take credit for the benefits that flow from those bills. It’s fucking maddening to see some shit talking MAGA chud brag about a highway project, water/sewer plant or some other public work in their district or state after they’ve voted against it.

Republicans also know that Democrats are really good at negotiating against themselves, especially if shitty DC media and corrupt consultants keep telling them that “real Americans” won’t tolerate what the left of the party wants.

So, with the strongest negotiating position that they’ve had in years, Senate Democrats are slowly watering down their position on ICE. I haven’t been closely tracking Schumer’s position, but I believe it now amounts to masks off, nameplates on, and maybe only arrest people with warrants. It sure isn’t “abolish ICE” and it sure isn’t “don’t vote for ICE funding”.

The Democrats have been able to separate the DHS funding bill from the rest of the “must pass” legislation. The next move should be to simply sit on the bill until Republicans figure out how they’re going to curb the goons who are killing innocents on our city streets.

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Scott H9 months ago

Never a week goes by when I don't marvel at how The World's Turned Upside Down.

People like me and Josh Marshall agree with Never Trumper Bill "Always Wrong" Kristol on what's turning into a weekly basis.

JFC, he's left of clowns like MattY and Ezra "Broder" Klein, which anymore, ain't hard even for a Never Trumper like Kristol.

Outside of the latest, he's damn near been saying "Social democracy is better than facism. Go AOC!" whereas MattY's approach is

"I'm not sure fighting authoritarianism polls well."

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John S.9 months ago

Ironically, it was the Democrats’ knee jerk reaction to “do something” when Republicans were in power that brought us DHS in the first place.

I like the strategy of saying “no” and having them clean up their own mess.

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TBone Dinosaur9 months ago

You just made me remember Michael Moore driving around DC reading The Patriot Act on loudspeakers attached to his van because no one signing on had even read it! 📢

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Sepideh M9 months ago

Thank you for the TPM gift link.

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TBone Dinosaur9 months ago

Almost forgot - for Kay and anyone else interested in replacing TikTok:

https://lifehacker.com/tech/what-is-upscrolled

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Kay W.9 months ago

Homan’s speech is smug, like he can’t believe the only “requirements” are for federal law enforcement to follow laws. The bar just dropped another foot or two. “Let’s LOWER those standards!” Any random psycho can now pull up and brutalize people as long as they don’t announce they’re breaking the law.

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TBone Dinosaur9 months ago

I'm so disgusted, it's like watching teh markets, I think can't bear to watch today.

Excellent post though.

Reposting this because it's excellent and because Jane is recruiting for fighter pols:

https://bsky.app/profile/dgcomedy.bsky.social/post/3mdity3mhz22r

Off to lower my blood pressure somehow ...

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Kay W.9 months ago

The Democrats list of demands SO lowers standards for federal law enforcement. They can’t wear masks and have to get a warrant? That’s the standard now? They were already supposed to be doing that. They’re going to take this is “all we have to do is take off the masks and get a warrant”

A witness to the murder of Pretti said agents handled Pretti’s body after his death counting the holes they put in him “like he was a deer”

We have an army of federal law enforcement Trump cult psychopaths murdering people and the rot is spreading. The FBI raided an election office to create “evidence” for their cult leader. They’re captured too.

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TBone Dinosaur9 months ago

Sing it, sista

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TBone Dinosaur9 months ago

📢

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mister mixAuthor9 months ago

A federal judge in Minneapolis says that ICE violated nearly 100 court orders, but when the one that he singled out for contempt was followed, he backed off:

https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/ice-in-minnesota/judge-ice-violated-nearly-100-court-orders-this-month/89-3e95803b-952f-4383-b09d-fc289cd9c21b

Another failure of institutions as far as I'm concerned.

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John S.9 months ago

Everyone associated with the justice system is wired for status quo. They’re like the HR department. They want everyone to think their purpose is to help, but their true mission is to protect the establishment.

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Scott H9 months ago

I'll say it again, Dems almost always (and pathologicallly) begin negotiating from a position of extreme compromise showing the most lukewarm "reform" conceivable and go from there. The entire "better training" canard from online centrist clowns 2 weeks ago is a case in point.

The GOP begins with maximalist demands.

There's been *one notable exception to this over the last 20 years: Pelosi's response to Dubya on Social Security.

It worked.

But that was 2-decades of triangulation/centrism ago, can't do that now because the Searchlight Inst and Third Way (and the pretty much equally awful Center for American Progress) are saying with a straight face this will cost Dems votes in the mid-terms.

Remember kids, centrism never fails, it can only be failed.