Reader S sent me a bunch of Tesla links, which I’ll include below. The net of it is that Tesla had a terrible first quarter. Let’s look at two meme stocks, one real stock, and a couple of indices:

So, year-to-date, which roughly corresponds to Trump’s first term, tech stocks (NASDAQ) are down 13%, Apple’s down almost 20%, Tesla’s down 37% and Trump’s meme stock is down over 40%. But Tesla is still hanging around $250, which is probably at least $50 more than the price where the loans Musk has taken out on his stock are problematic. Trump’s stock is a lark, so if it’s worth anything, he’s still OK.

The key political point is that the average middle-class 401K probably lost at least 8% of its value since Trump took office.

Anyway, let’s look at the details. Electric vehicles (EVs) are in general doing great. In the US, two Tesla models are still the best sellers, but Porsche (+250%) , Toyota (+196%), VW (+183%) and GMC (+173%) showed sales growth that far outstripped Tesla. which was down 9%. In Europe, the story was similar: Tesla sales were down sharply in every European country except the UK. And the electric Ford pickup, the Lighting F-150, outsold the Tesla IncElCamino by 600 units in Q1.

I’m not an expert on cars, but from what I read about Tesla, they’re not an automaker in the way that the “big three” (Ford, GM and Stellantis) are — I’ve see pictures of cars that they’ve shipped with wooden blocks in the engine bay. Apparently they make modifications to their manufacturing processes all the time. (In contrast, I just downloaded the 400 page “builder’s guide” to my new pickup, which has every measurement in the damn thing diagrammed. My van had a similar guide. This only happens for a vehicle that isn’t going to be modified during the year’s production run.) Since they’re so inconsistently manufactured, only Tesla dealers can service Teslas, and there won’t be a meaningful aftermarket supplying parts and accessories for those vehicles. Their big new model was the Cybertruck, a flop, and their other models are old. They’re being out-sold in China by local company BYD, and they’re losing in the US. There’s nothing about Tesla’s fundamentals that can support their stock price.

Perhaps the most telling thing is that Musk is up to his usual bullshit, making almost certainly false promises about Tesla self-driving, prior to Tesla’s Q1 earnings announcement, which will probably be bad, and should probably be worse considering all the accounting tricks that Musk’s finance team is going to pull. Tesla will report earnings on April 22, for those of you like Tim Walz who are going to mark their calendars.

While we’re looking at the markets, the dollar is down versus the Euro:

The yield on 30-year Treasuries has risen to almost 5%, up from 4.4% a week ago. Bond yields go up when people don’t want to buy the bond, which is the opposite of what we should expect when the stock market is shitting the bed: normally there’s a “flight to quality” — i.e., people buy T-bills. Not this time, because Trump has ruined the reputation of our bonds.

Other than that, the markets look great, and by “great” I mean “shitty”.

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Pacem Appellant1 year ago

The only joy left in my life is watching TSLA nosedive. I'm popping open a bottle of sparkling cider if it hits $200. If that happens, I suspect freefall isn't far behind.

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C P1 year ago

Not going to lie, I've always been skeptical about Tesla going under for real, largely because their owner currently also runs the U.S. government and it's hard to imagine that there aren't some kind of shenanigans he can pull from there in order to save it. For Tesla to go under right now would feel like one of Prigozhin's companies going under in the pre-coup days; something that wouldn't be allowed to happen unless the man himself decided he stopped caring about that company.

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mister mixAuthor1 year ago

My interest is in Tesla's stock being priced like a car company rather than a meme stock. If Tesla's stock crashes, Musk's loans that he's taken out against Tesla will need to be refinanced and he'll feel some pain. Tesla's going to be around for a while.

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Pacem Appellant1 year ago

I think at some point, if it loses its meme status, Tesla will get carved up and sold off for scrap. Can you imagine being the Big 3 and salivating at the bargain you'd get on the Tesla charging network at a firesale?

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Kay W.1 year ago

Teslas stock is propped up by fad following dopes who think space is cool and admire dude bros. There’s probably an endless supply of them on Wall Street.

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Dennis Doubleday1 year ago

Didn’t Musk take care of his loan problems in the xAI acquisition of X? He offloaded his problems onto xAI investors.

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TBone Dinosaur1 year ago

Here's a great article on that very subject, which I somehow previously posted on the wrong thread.

https://www.muskwatch.com/p/the-truth-about-x

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mister mixAuthor1 year ago

That was his X loan -- his personal liquidity comes mainly from loans against his stock holdings, and Tesla is his only publicly-traded company, so that's why I'm interested in Tesla stock shitting the bed.

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Sepideh M1 year ago

That thing about being unable to get parts for car repairs is why people I know said they would never buy another Tesla.

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Scott H1 year ago

Yeahbut...

In an EV context, that same thing can be said about Rivian. Okay, it's somewhat of an apples-to-oranges comparison because Rivian is still a boutique brand despite it's presence here in the Denver metro area. Also too, Rivian sales are miniscule.

And yet, the people here with money to burn buy em and don't worry about long term because they don't own cars long term. It'll be gone in 3-4 years and then it's somebody else's problem.

The same kind of mindset drives Tesla albeit on a larger scale. They have turned into something of a "real" automaker but aren't run like any real automaker, thus, how they navigate the next several years will be telling if they're a long-term proposition.

What MM didn't mention was how Tesla sales have downright cratered in Europe. In China, they're actually up 1.65% year-to-year but down over 30% from Q4 2024 and most market analysts are predicting a downward path there.

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mister mixAuthor1 year ago

From what I've read, BYD is ultimately going to beat Tesla in China - cheaper and self-driving is better.

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Scott H1 year ago

New piece out this week on the US market...in terms of battery manufacturing.

It seems that the joint projects between GM and LG are nearing completion in terms of their 2 massive plants in the US are getting production up to scale and seemingly are about to overtake Tesla in terms of cheaper production costs.

BYD in China, like you've read, is poised to clean Tesla's clock. In Yurp, BYD has a showroom in the main piazza in Milan. I went into it last year when I was there. Of course BYD's production costs means it can basically dump product, which is how it started in Yurp until the EU woke up and said "holleeee shit, they're gonna kill our own EV production" and they slapped on tariffs.

BYD makes electric buses in 'Murka for Los Angeles. If they wanna sell here, they'll need to build plants here like everybody else has to.

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Pacem Appellant1 year ago

If you want a Rivian, please buy one (I used to work there and they paid me in stock).

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Scott H1 year ago

Sure, I'll scrape together $80K in the spare change from my sofa. :)

They keep saying they're gonna bring out an "affordable" one. The initial design literally looks like a Yugo. Yeah, that'll work.

They're very good vehicles, far better designed and built than Tesla. But the only thing keeping them afloat is their exclusive production of delivery vans for Amazon and a $4b infusion from VW last year so VW could use a lot of their software. Otherwise, they're hemorrhaging money.

And VW is in a world of hurt.

I can drive 5 minutes from my house to see their service/setup center. There's typically a 100+ parked there.

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Pacem Appellant1 year ago

I am aware. :-) They need to get the GA plant online and get the R3 out of the pipeline and into production there. They never got meme stock status like TSLA did, so they actually have to make a good car.