A bit of a rain delay at the event I’m attending, so I wanted to share some anecdata.

This morning I was talking with an old friend, the husband of a couple we’ve known for 30 years. The wife is a little more politically outspoken. I knew that the husband wasn’t a Trump fan, and he clearly wasn’t following Trump that closely, since he didn’t know that the new Air Force One had been delivered, and wasn’t up-to-date on the reflecting pool fiasco.

However, after saying a bit about how he loathedTrump, he added that he wished the Democrats weren’t such “wimps”. That surprised me a bit. It shows what a real normie thinks of our party.

An Atlantic piece has been making the rounds, talking about how rank-and-file Democrats are also fed up, using the example of a disastrous appearance of the Ohio party chair at a local meeting. Here’s a quote, from Tom Sullivan’s take at Digby’s blog:

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“What are we going to do differently?” one woman asked, pointing out that the Democrats’ brand is terrible. Eventually, the microphone was abandoned, and another woman asked: “Why don’t the Democrats have a good message?” A third woman chimed in, a little frantically: “What can we do?!”

Clyde’s eyes were wide. She hadn’t expected friendly fire. “We do have a good message!” she sputtered. “Affordability!” But the women smelled weakness, and now, several of them were shouting at once. “How are you going to do that?” one demanded. “It has to be more specific!” From the back, an older woman offered: “We need smart!” Clyde assured the group that the party’s message was smart, and it was going to resonate in November. But moments later, she was off the stage and hightailing it back to Columbus.

The whole thing is worth a read.

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Kay W.4 months ago

This is an example. Hillary Clinton just wrote a piece in the Financial Times where she tells us we have to accept Donald Trump’s GAZA plan because it is the best we can hope for. Jesus Christ. “Abandon hope all ye who enter here” What a bankrupt,barren vision. Who willingly joins this fucking weak, capitulating low standard?

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Kay W.4 months ago

IMO, and I was a state delegate and committee person for 25 years, Ohio Democrats came to a fork in the road in 2006. They could have gone “bold reformers” but instead they played it safe and missed the opening. Marcy Kaptur said it at the time. She said “Ohio can go one direction of progressive Midwest or it can go in the direction of Kentucky” Sometimes you just don’t get another chance.

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Kay W.4 months ago

It’s tough because the Democratic brand IS in the toilet which means the independents Ohio Democrats need (a statewide candidate in Ohio needs 1 in 5 Trump voters) will never ever identify as Democrats, so Democrats move Right which just alienates the base more. I spent 25 years trying to square that circle with no success. We’ve become the brand of “no, you can’t have that, accept less” It’s why DSA now polls ahead of Democrats by 15 points. They haven’t built their movement on telling people what they can’t possibly hope for 🙂

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Busted Knee4 months ago

Affordablility is bullshit. That says stay poor and we will make shit cheaper.

As long as the educated upper middle class have a voice in our party we are doomed. Take them out first and at all costs and then fix the party. Did someone with a graduate degree and a six figure income get listened to? If so than fuck it we are doomed. That's the problem.

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John S.4 months ago

There’s another word that starts with A that these institutionalist clowns are trying to avoid like the plague:

ACCOUNTABILITY

Step 1 is admitting there’s a huge problem there. And the old guard doesn’t want to talk about it because it’s a tacit admission that they failed miserably at it.

Merrick Garland spent years meticulously following process, protecting norms, and avoiding the appearance of political motivation, while the accountability window for Trump slammed shut. Republicans aren’t to blame for that failure.

When the most consequential accountability test of modern American democracy arrived, he spent so much time protecting the machinery that he failed to use it.

That mistake cannot happen again.

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John S.4 months ago

Garland defenders believe that the DOJ’s legitimacy comes from careful adherence to process.

My view is that the DOJ’s legitimacy comes from its ability to apply the law equally and produce accountability. Process only has value insofar as it serves that purpose.

Which makes it even more ironic that in his feeble attempt to protect the DOJ, Garland paved the way for the utterly illegitimate institution that it has become.

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C P4 months ago

Garland defenders believe that the DOJ’s legitimacy comes from careful adherence to process.

I don't think it's even that.

So-called "institutionalist" Democrats, in practice, believe that legitimacy can come only from bi-partisan buy-in, which is why, among many other things, they go incredibly weak on punishing Republicans for their crimes, because they'd rather be magnanimous and nice to them and hope that enough of them will come around and see the light. Even before the entire GOP was an authoritarian shit-show, its bad actors figured out long ago how to hack this; if your opponents believe legitimacy can only come from your approval, all you need to do is withhold that approval in perpetuity and they'll basically throw the entire world at your feet.

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Marmot Pimpernel 4 months ago

That was ultimately why Obama’s ACA health reform was so watered down. Why not pass something spectacular and talk it up all the time? Jesus. Do I think the ACA is better with Repub ideas tacked onto it?

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C P4 months ago

Well, in the ACA's case, because it was literally all that would pass. It was that or no health care reform. And as usual, because the centrists consider it their duty to kneecap any potential Democratic achievement lest the party become too successful.

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TBone Dinosaur4 months ago

Today's weirdest long read (it's Tulsi time)

https://archive.is/2MlmC

(That's a free link to WaPo article for those who aren't too busy with holiday stuff yet today.)

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TBone Dinosaur4 months ago

Jiminy Cricket!!! I almost can't believe that someone that close to power was such a marionette for a truly freaky cult! It's worse than MAGA if that's even possible GAH

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TBone Dinosaur4 months ago

Shocked but not surprised again!

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Scott H4 months ago

It always comes back to offering and meaning a better vision. And delivering.

Not simply being The Centrist Bullshit Machine, aka the Magic Words!© stategy which in the above piece, normies recognize from a mile away.

The people that don't? Centrists and their online fluffers elsewhere.

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Sepideh M4 months ago

Vote blue except for that one, that other one, or the one that may inconvenience our rich donors.

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Busted Knee4 months ago

Just close your eyes and say educated professionals, meritocracy, donor states. If that doesn't work scream trans.

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TBone Dinosaur4 months ago

More Tom Sullivan, channeling Wednesday Addams today

https://digbysblog.net/2026/06/21/a-victim-must-be-found/

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TBone Dinosaur4 months ago

Sending. So. Many. Dad. Jokes. are keeping me busy today. Randy Quaid as Eddie Johnson (from Nat'l. Lampoon Xmas Vacation) at the Reflecting Pool in his short bathrobe with cigar mouth & beer can in one hand, with the big hose in the other, is perfection.

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TBone Dinosaur4 months ago

Also, Pope Bob telling Dotard "You need to see the Exorcist." Dotard: "I don't have time for a movie!" Pope Bob: "Movie?!"

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TBone Dinosaur4 months ago

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TBone Dinosaur4 months ago

Scott Horton skeet (I'm posting for Father's Day):

"Gen Sec Leonid Brezhnev's grandson surrenders to Ukrainian forces on the front in exchange for a MacDonald's Big Mac happy meal. It is a sign of the times."

(The linked article is in Russian.)

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TBone Dinosaur4 months ago

Beloved stepdad's last words to me:

"Make sure you have fun."

https://youtu.be/_JasiSpmfsU?si=qnPIwdbRfmq8zSE3

The new e-bikes are amazing 😍.

Do EVs come with convertible tops? Next car is gonna flip its lid, I really miss my convertible.

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Sepideh M4 months ago

With the way the Democrats ran their villian-of-the-week nonsense for the past decade or two, no one trusts them not to tank the Democratic agenda. Even though Platner is being interpreted as "progressive" because he is distancing himself from the stupid side of the party, he is definitely pro-gun so we may not get any gun legislation done.

Columbine was over 26 years ago, and we would rather all the children be traumatized by school shooting drills that to lessen the availability of guns in the US. It is completely nutty.

Do Democrats look like they care that women are dying in labor across the South since Roe was destroyed? They do not look like they see this as an urgent thing to be addressed.

Their willingness to throw trans-people under the bus exposes all the other stuff they have failed to do, and it is a lot.

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Scott H4 months ago

The entire "vote strategically" mindset that's behind so much of what you're talking about is part of the reason why we're at this point: don't vote for a shitty Dem (like pretty much all of CO's federal incumbents) in the fall or you're Hitler.

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Sepideh M4 months ago

I voted for Doshi. I saw why you supported her.

Also, our progressive-endorsed reagent candidate is an extremely pro-AI attorney douche bag so I voted for the reagent candidate who probably won't win but did not seem like a douche bag.

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Busted Knee4 months ago

Vote blue no matter who unless they're economically to the left of you. And if someone mentions economic issues break glass and scream racism and trans and go jerk off to your grad degree and travel to Europe.

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TBone Dinosaur4 months ago

Tom Sullivan's money shot:

"...their greatest campaign weapon is Donald Trump’s abysmal favorability numbers, not Democrats’ popularity."

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TBone Dinosaur4 months ago

As illustrated by normie Hubby anectdotally a little while ago.

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TBone Dinosaur4 months ago

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TBone Dinosaur4 months ago

I asked normie hubby what he "thinks about the Dems" again just now.

"I don't!"

When I pressed him, he said "Isn't there SOMETHING they can do? Anything? There must be something they can do about getting him out!" For hubby, being the opposition is the foremost failure.

Here's some Jonathan Pie for breakfast, mmmmm

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ndkFtUKLNZY

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TBone Dinosaur4 months ago

There is no positive message or policy solution that will get Hubby's attention right now. There is only "what the fuck with that fucking guy" because that fucking guy has all the oxygen again.