Bill Clinton and Epstein Accuser Chauntae Davis, 22 at the time

The way this went down is interesting:

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Davies acted as an air stewardess on the flight and described being shocked when Clinton boarded the plane, saying he was 'charming and sweet'.

Davies, now in her early 40s, said of the massage pictures: 'Although the image looks bizarre, President Clinton was a perfect gentleman during the trip and I saw absolutely no foul play involving him.'

She explained the massage happened when 'we had a stop-over for the jet to refuel and while we were in the terminal the ex-President was complaining of stiffness from falling asleep in his chair.

'Ghislaine chimed in to be funny and said that I could give him a massage.

'Everyone had a little chuckle but Ghislaine in her prim British accent insisted and said I was good. The President then asked me ''would you mind giving it a crack''.

Maxwell telling her to give him a massage is consistent with everything revealed about her so far, plus it’s creepy, as is the photo, obviously.

My wife saw someone on Facebook saying that now they were going to have to burn their Clinton hat and Clinton flag, get rid of their Clinton cell phone, and sell their Clinton memecoin. That’s about the right response as far as I’m concerned.

What’s absolutely wrong is defending Clinton. If he didn’t know that something skeevy was going on with Epstein (at a minimum), it’s because he wasn’t paying attention. And that’s his problem, not Democrats’. Under the bus he goes. He should have helped build Habitat for Humanity houses and helped rid the world of guinea worm. He chose not to do that, and that’s his funeral, as my mom would say.

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Kay W.1 year ago

Christ, that picture is bad. I once had a case where a group of high school students were texting one another nude photos - boys and girls, photos only of themselves - and it literally turned into a federal case. Elite impunity.

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C P1 year ago

That's it, I'm never voting for Bill Clinton again.

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John S.1 year ago

LOL

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tam1MI 1 year ago

I voted for Clinton and I see no need to defend him. Clinton being a horndog is old news. He's been out of office for over 2 decades now, he's Hillary's problem.

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TBone Dinosaur1 year ago

I know what to burn - my Fettermanchinema hoodie. I purchased it as a campaign contribution and heavily regret it. Today it has been announced Lee fucking Zeldin is doing away with all climate regulation. These Dems voted to confirm that fucking guy:

The vote was 56-42 in Zeldin’s favor. Three Democrats — Sens. Ruben Gallego and Mark Kelly of Arizona and John Fetterman of Pennsylvania — supported Zeldin, along with all 53 Republicans.

Might as well have a funeral pyre with that hoodie.

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TBone Dinosaur1 year ago

“If there’s an endangerment finding to be found anywhere, it should be found on this administration because what they’re doing is so contrary to what the Environmental Protection Agency is about,” Christine Todd Whitman, who led EPA under Republican President George W. Bush, said after Zeldin’s plan was made public.

The EPA proposal follows an executive order from Trump that directed the agency to submit a report “on the legality and continuing applicability” of the endangerment finding.

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Scott H1 year ago

The only reason to look back on Clinton's presidency with any nostalgia is that he wasn't a Republican.

I semi-snarkily say that the two best (R) presidents of my lifetime were Clinton and Obama, which of course makes heads explode among the Blue MAGA types at the other blog who miss the point about in a contemporary sense, you look at much of what they both did and it's often similar to the "pro choice, moderate Republican" of 25+ years ago. That's how far the Overton Window has moved to the right.

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mister mixAuthor1 year ago

New York Republicans in the 70's/80's/90's were pretty socially liberal, and NY didn't turn solidly blue until the 00's. I'd take someone who's got the positions of a NY Republican of that vintage as a candidate pretty eagerly compared to a few who call themselves Democrats now. They're all MAGA now, of course.

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Scott H1 year ago

I say this repeatedly, I'll hold my nose and vote for a Pro Choice Moderate Republican, aka a New Democrat/New Liberalism "liberal" in any non-primary election. I've held my nose plenty over the decades so have much practice.

But between times? They are targets of criticism, skepticism and every effort should be made to not let them set any strategic practices for the party nor set it's policy agenda.

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John S.1 year ago

If Clinton is implicated in wrongdoing, very few Democratic voters are going to make excuses for him — unlike the MAGA folks who will find any reason to exculpate Trump.

But after watching elected Democrats in action with Cuomo, I’m not so sure about them.

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C P1 year ago

The Cuomo/Mamdani thing is damn near unprecedented, which is something that isn't being said enough. Say what you want about the party and AOC, and I think it's treated her very shabbily, but this is not how Democratic elites reacted to her 2018 election. They didn't even react this way to Bernie Sanders' overperformance in 2016 - lots of nervous rumbling behind the scenes, but nothing like this kind of scorched-earth opposition, or apocalyptic fearmongering.

Large numbers of Democratic elites publicly reacting to the election of a fairly ordinary member of their progressive wing like teabaggers circa 2010 talking about Obama is something new, and it doesn't bode well for the future of the party.

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John S.1 year ago

No, it does not bode well.

When you have someone like Sen. Gillibrand who was so eager to throw Al Franken under the bus over the appearance of impropriety in a single photo, but who is unwilling to do the same with Cuomo and his many credible accusers, there’s a problem.

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Sepideh M1 year ago

Two Jewish members of our city council are targeting the one black member of city council because she posted a meme about the genocide of native Americans on Instagram. They said it was antisemitic. They are trying to weaponize their identity and the firebombing in downtown Boulder for their run in the next election. I hope it doesn't work out for them. This is exhausting.

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John S.1 year ago

Not in my name, assholes.

(Referring to Jews using the thinnest reed to claim antisemitism)

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James Powell1 year ago

I never liked him that much to begin with & I will never forgive him for the Lewinsky affair. He helped put little Bush in the White House and all the catastrophes that came from that.

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mister mixAuthor1 year ago

Agree - not a fan and his behavior towards Lewinsky was indefensible.

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TBone Dinosaur1 year ago

FYI the meme about Clinton (which I pirated for my stash, but not from Fascistbook - my meme stash is a visual history pictorial thing for me) is a sarcasm meant to illustrate that no one actually has Clinton hats, flags, coins, steaks, vodka, sneakers, or Bibles because we're not in a cult. And because Clinton didn't grift in that manner.

At one of the law offices where I worked, owned by two gentlemen getting on in years, one of the partners had a blonde not older than (and possibly several years younger than) Ms. Davies come into the office every day during lunch hour carrying her portable massage table. The massages took place behind his closed office door. The entire office staff were female and we thought nothing of it because the bouncy, cheerful massage therapist always stopped to gossip and joke with us. It was a different age of innocence in the 90s. But yeah, after all the water under this bridge, underbussing is now called for.

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mister mixAuthor1 year ago

Yep, that's the joke -- he didn't do that, but he did ride on Epstein's plane.