Let’s take as trip way back in distant time to the GW Bush Administration. Bush and Republicans pushed through major federal tax cuts in 2001 and 2003. Simply put, George W. Bush was the first U.S. president to take the country into war and cut federal taxes during that war.

Generally, we found, taxes and wars have followed a fairly predictable pattern: Taxes rise during wartime and then come back down in the years afterward.

We’ll start with the Civil War. Congress enacted various income and excise taxes to meet the rising cost of the war, most of which were repealed in the years after the war.

During World War I, the 1916 Revenue Act and the War Revenue Act of 1917 increased tax revenue from $761 million in 1916 to $3.6 billion in 1918. After the war, in the 1920s, Congress cut taxes five times.

The same was true during World War II. Tax increases over several years raised revenues from $8.7 billion in 1941 to $45.2 billion in 1945. Again, tax cuts followed the war.

It’s worth noting, however, that during all of those wars, the war expenses were much larger than today, relative to the size of the economy.

Congress hasn’t formally declared war since then, but we think it’s fair to consider the wars in Korea, Vietnam, the Persian Gulf and Iraq. However, we have decided not to include the armed conflicts in Grenada in 1983 and Panama in 1989 due to their much smaller cost, length and scope.

Yes - we increased taxes during the Civil War, WWI, WWII, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War. Bush cut taxes during the Iraq War and Afghanistan.

Fast forward back to current day and Trump’s FollyTM (the Iran War).

Here’s Adam Kinzinger:

It’s the strategy of an administration that is insecure, incompetent, anti-expertise and that thinks it manly to show off the ”shiny” stuff. Of course, if you can even call it a strategy, it’s a stupid one.

Phillips O’Brien lays it all out in a recent Substack (extensive read due to its importance):

Wars are obscenely expensive, usually costing far more money than people can imagine before they start. Finding such funds usually requires a combination of hard work and brute force.

I was struck by this question because the cost of Trump’s War is usually overlooked in the strategic discussion of whether Trump can or should escalate, and whether such a decision might turn Trump’s war into a longer-term conflict. In actuality, the question of how this war can or should be financed needs to be addressed first. One of the determining facts which will determine the length of this war could be that the USA is far more under the gun financially than it was at the start of any war in its history. That alone might prevent the US from escalating or lengthening the war—even if Trump wanted to do both.

If I may, I would like to go back to one of my favorite pieces of the year so far, which struck some people as a little out of left field. It was how in geopolitical and economic terms, we may have forgotten what it was like to deal with a real financial crisis.

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The argument in the piece was that over the last 20 years we have had one way to deal with any crisis, be it the 2007-8 financial meltdown, the Covid pandemic, etc., and that was through massive deficit spending. We could, and did, throw masses of money at any problem. At the same time, the US fought its long War on Terror, which lasted through the American withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2021. All of this borrowing helped get the USA (and the rest of the world) through these crises, but of course it came with a time limit. We have been incredibly lucky (in the short term) over the last twenty years in that for much of the time interest rates were exceptionally low. At some point the borrowing has to stop, and I do not believe people understand this and are prepared for it.

The omens are already somewhat ominous. In a nutshell the US is trying to fight this war having already accrued a national debt bigger than it had at the end of World War II and with interest rates at relatively very high levels—a double whammy it has never faced before. And the US is already struggling to sell the debt, before the increased costs of this war have been figured in.

Here is a chart that I had created comparing the relative state of the US federal debt now and at the start of other recent wars (on top), and then the interest rates at which the US government could sell ten-year bonds at those times.

The reality is that National Debt of the USA (as a percentage of GDP) is more than twice as large as it was when the War on Terror started in 2001 and almost three times as large as it was when the Vietnam War started.

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Things are further complicated by the fact that already we have no idea what this war has already cost. The administration has been claiming recently (July) that the costs of the war has been $37.5 billion. However that is undermined by two facts. First, the Department of Defense is requesting a supplemental bill for an extra $67.1 billion and the DOD a year ago received a large supplemental appropriation of $150 billion which is supposedly has not spent.

Just a guess, the $37.5 billion figure used by the Pentagon just covers the cost of munitions expended in the war. The real figure would be multiples of this.

In other words, the costs of this war in six months are already steep and would explode if the war metamorphosized into a long-term war with US ground troops going into Iran.

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So add it up and what do we see? It might be that even if Trump wants to escalate the war that he simply cannot. There would be no way to fund it without leading to higher borrowing costs and even then it might never have the political funding to begin with. People should be talking about this more than they are. 

Now, let’s look at funding our federal government over the years.

  • Top Marginal Individual Tax Rates. During what many would call the heyday of economic and middle-class growth in this country, from 1945 - 1979, the top marginal federal income tax rate (assessed on the wealthiest earners in our society) averaged 81.7%.

    Reagan started bringing the tax rate down in 1980, and from the end of his term, from 1987 - 2025, the top marginal federal income tax rate (assessed on the wealthiest earners in our society) averaged 36.5%.

  • Corporate Taxes. In 1945, corporate taxes supplied about 30% of total federal revenue. Today, corporate taxes supply about 9% of federal revenue.

  • Borrowing and National Debt. While Republicans accuse Democrats of being “tax and spend”, Republicans are clearly in the camp of “borrow recklessly and spend”.

    Since WWII, of the 5 Presidents who actually decreased the annual federal deficit over the course of their terms, 4 were Democrats and one was Republican (Eisenhower, who in today’s worlds would actually be considered a Democrat). Of the 9 Presidents who increased the annual federal deficit over the course of their terms, 3 were Democrats and 6 were Republicans.

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To summarize:

Republicans have repeatedly reduced taxes on their donor class - the wealthiest Americans and corporations.

In place of those tax revenues, we have borrowed money to the point where it is becoming difficult to sustain and service our national debt (in essence, we are bankrupting our country and our military budget and reckless wars ar a major part of that).

In the course of several months of Trump’sTM Folly, we are running out of our best and most expensive offensive and defensive weapons.

Trump, Hegseth and their cronies are clearly incompetent and have purged expertise from the miliary and replaced it with sycophantic supporters.

What more could go wrong that already hasn’t?

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TBone Dinosaur3 months ago(edited)

Cost of new "namesake" warships likely to rise 50% higher!

https://bsky.app/profile/kevinmkruse.bsky.social/post/3msefhmhqks2z

JFC

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TBone Dinosaur3 months ago

(NYT)

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TBone Dinosaur3 months ago(edited)

If I think too much about all of this today I'll go round the bend so I'm just going to let the music speak for me.

https://youtu.be/qJPq4daZKEk?si=NzNg1gbSJ0up1B4w

A favorite

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TBone Dinosaur3 months ago

Also the K-Man is telling it...for every dollar spent on oil wars, we could have...

https://youtu.be/fi_FHZOAaXM?si=kRHLwTxSY7t4b2BF

(Krugman)

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David J3 months ago

RIP Joe McDonald. Passed away this Spring. I saw the film Woodstock in theater when it was a first run. I left for basic training a couple weeks later.

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TBone Dinosaur3 months ago

Glad you came back.

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TBone Dinosaur3 months ago(edited)

A good'un at BJ hipped me to this, I looked for my vet stepdad the whole time watching... it's a great time capsule

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F.T.A.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F.T.A.

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TBone Dinosaur3 months ago(edited)

Wiki misbehaving, can't get a good link!? It's a documentary titled F.T.A. following Donald Sutherland and Jane Fonda and other performers on a 1972 Viet Nam War tour called "Fuck The Army."

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Joe is Wypoxic3 months ago

That was a seminal song for me in my teen years. Just missed the draft…

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TBone Dinosaur3 months ago

Thanks for bringing the receipts once again, J.W.

Plus the music is *chef's kiss!

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TBone Dinosaur3 months ago

WHO uses the most fossil fuel in this entire nation?

The military!

The oiligarchs are laughing all the way to their offshore "bank" accounts!

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TBone Dinosaur3 months ago

"The United States Department of Defense is one of the largest single consumers of energy in the world, responsible for 93% of all US government fuel consumption..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_usage_of_the_United_States_military

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Kay W.3 months ago

I’m convinced they do it deliberately. They cut taxes and then borrow for wars to pump money into defense industries, ensuring there is nothing left for ordinary people. Media enables them in this.

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TBone Dinosaur3 months ago(edited)

The utimate in pwning the libs!

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Scott H3 months ago

It's a corollary to drowning the gubmint in a bathtub.

Started under...wait for it...Reagan.

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C P3 months ago

It seems like a real problem, that actually predates Trump (though it owes a lot to the political movements that pushed him), that the U.S. defense establishment and military-industrial complex just... don't seem to be designed to win wars, at all. The MIC is used as a substitute for an industrial policy, it's used to help corporate donors get fat, and it's used as a political hammer, to wave the flag and, not to put too fine a point on it, give lots of boners to the crowd that thinks 300 was a documentary. (To quite an extent even before Hegseth). The fact that pretty much everyone involved knew that Afghanistan was a failure for at least ten years before it actually ended, but nobody saw a reason to change course and we've been determined to learn nothing from it, kind of speaks to the dysfunction of the whole thing.

So yeah, I'm not surprised to find that we can't hold our own against what was supposed to be a regional second-rate power.

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Joe M3 months ago

I've maintained that the real definition of "DEI" is "Don't Employ Idiots". Those DEI hires that the right points to have likely had to work through lots of disadvantages and be better than those around them to make it in the door. As opposed to say, Whiskey Pete or Max Miller.

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mister mixAuthor3 months ago

Yep, you got that right.

Part of being an idiot is not anticipating that your shiny plan might not survive contact with the enemy. That's completely evident in the Iran bumble.

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Busted Knee3 months ago

As someone who's benefited from DEI I agree but with a catch. When I was a predator for big consulting we were heavily DEI. Internally everyone loved it. We bragged about gender neutral bathrooms, pride events, and heavily promoting women, especially minority women, to positions of leadership. Plus everybody loved the internal cultural events. Free five star food and free booze! What's not too like.

However this was all white washing at core. While we were doing this we were consulting for the MIC, DOD, and IC. Including working with DHS to put kids in cages. We also actively worked to get Americans fired, overseas their jobs, and decrease their wages. We were monsters. However if confronted with any of this we'd wave DEI as a shield from criticism and then lecture everyone on how educated and elite we were and this combination of social liberals and education washed away our sins, put us above criticism, and justified making our bag of cash.

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Busted Knee3 months ago

Similarly years later I was at a firm that supported some of the worst tech companies on the planet. We helped them avoid consequences for what they did, fought against the public, and helped them crush the little guy. DEI played the same exact role as both sword and shield there.

Is DEI good? Yes without a doubt. But we weren't doing it because it was good. We were doing it because it allowed us to engage in predatory behavior on a global scale and engage in horrible activity. It prevented any criticism from the left and would be swung like a sword at anybody who pointed out what was going on.

Corporate America, and people with the good jobs in it, are a huge reason why DEI has gotten such a bad name. Because corporate America and the upper middle class will turn anything good into a tool for predation and exploitation and count on liberalism to back them up because of it.

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Busted Knee3 months ago

Point three, for hilarity. SpaceX, Anduril, Palantir, and a16z, all the most fascist of fascist out there, are huger hirers here. All of them advertise DEI and non discrimination on their sites and in their hiring process. The people that work there, and I know a lot of them, are all well educated, socially liberal, upper middle class, moderate Democrats! Once you see this issue you see it everywhere in every problem industry, every problem this country faces. And that problem is what moderates and the Democratic party exists to protect. From the left.

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Busted Knee3 months ago

The problem is the tax cuts. It's always been the tax cuts.

As for the MIC running out of munitions this is deliberate, but not in the way people here think. Years ago Peter Thiel in an interview stated that the Aerospace industry was a bunch of dumb cows out of pasture and that if Musk ever got in there he was going to slaughter them all.

The technocrats have been building competing Silicon Valley firms that even produce military hardware. Trump is heavily invested in this. This war is a testing ground for a lot of that and a chance to replace traditional defense firms with Silicon Valley firms. Palantir, Tesla, and SpaceX (leaving out Anduril and the other ones in this web) alone are worth more than all the classical defense companies.

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Busted Knee3 months ago

This war is about Trumps ego and neoconservative fantasies and some fantasies on our side of the isle. But it's also about a transition to more of what Silicon Valley wants. More money, more contracts, and embedded into our structures in a way it can never be removed and the money spigot will never stop.