Mistermix wrote about Ezra Klein’s “abundance agenda” here. Reader Tam R sent me a dissenting view, posted here with her permission:

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Right now the energy among activists is with the left - DSA, Sanders, AOC, etc but I think the country has actually shifted right and is more moderate. Harris outperformed Sanders in Vermont.

I think some of that rightward shift is the perception that Democrats are more focused on social issues and less on economic issues. 

The pollster / economist Josh Doss has been saying for a long time that voters, especially younger voters, define the economy differently. Housing is the most significant. He did in depth videos about why the economy was technically booming if you look at GDP and other indicators but polling was showing that large majorities thought we were in a recession. Wages, although up from several years ago, didn’t keep pace with higher costs and housing costs. I’m predicting that the rising cost of electricity service is going to become more of a factor especially with so many foreign companies and cross border production issues. I get my heating oil and electricity from Canada.

We have to figure out how to fast track the implementation of the infrastructure and other stimulus bills we pass so people experience the benefits and associate them with us.

The example Klein uses is Shapiro getting the highway rebuilt in record time. That has to become the norm and not an extraordinary occurrence.

I think we are all going to have to get comfortable with the personalities and ideas that are part of our coalition. I think AOC is a great communicator even as she hasn’t been a great legislator in terms of bills passed. I’ve never been a fan of Sanders for more personality and process reasons but I support whoever has the courage to step forward at this point. We are going to have to let go of a lot of old conflicts.

 

Bolding at the end there is mine, and I’ll start there. Agreed. I too think we have to let go of a lot of old conflicts. Like it or not, Democrats are a coalition and we are a diverse coalition- on race, on income, on geography and, yes, also on ideology. So although technocratic centrists like Klein are not my flavor of Democrats I don’t want to live in a bubble. I’m on the Left side of the coalition but the Center and Right side also exist and, well, we need them. Too, I was one of the people Tam R is complaining about – I minimized the persistent problems with the Biden economy and ignored housing, and that was delusional. If people can’t afford housing, nothing else works.

So, on to the Abundance Agenda!

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While partisans may argue about whether we need more government (liberals) or less government (conservatives), Klein and Thompson stake their ground on the need for better government. Promising truly effective government, they believe, will strengthen a liberalism that has accepted dangerous levels of dysfunction in day-to-day operations, which has made it difficult for fellow Americans to see why market-based solutions are not superior.

Decades of public policies that liberals enacted in the 1950s and 1960s, Klein and Thompson observe, saddled government with multiple layers of regulations, rules, mandates, and paperwork, all of which have since made it nearly impossible to accomplish key objectives. As demand has increased for many social goods, such as reasonably priced homes, clean energy, education, and medicine, the government has failed to supply. Liberals keep throwing money at the problem, but the authors believe that the money is not being well spent. As a result, we have a supply crisis that raises prices because we don’t have enough of what we need: “The problem we faced in the 1970s was that we were building too much and too heedlessly. The problem we face in the 2020s is that we are building too little, and we are too often paralyzed by process.”

I can live with the abundance agenda. If loosening land use regs boosts housing affordability for young people then, sure, I’ll come to the table and bargain. Not just “young people” either. In my law practice I encounter a lot of low-income senior citizens who ALSO cannot afford housing. A developer tried to address this by proposing an apartment complex dedicated to lower income, over 55, and local landowners shot it down because it was “too close” to a fancy Mini mansion development called “GreyStone”. Ugh. I’m in a fancy-lady book club with some of the NIMBYS who opposed the senior housing development and let me assure you it was all “I got mine, screw you”.

The abundance agenda can coexist with liberal priorities on progressive taxation, civil rights, anti trust, and a strong (and public) social safety net.

One final thought. I listened to two podcasts interviewing Klein and Thompson. They both complained several times in the interviews that “the Left” (they mean liberals and Leftists) doesn’t engage in enough self-reflection and critical analysis of their beliefs and policy prescriptions. Okay. I think that’s probably true. Guilty as charged. Now let’s talk about how technocratic centrists like Klein and Thompson never question the outcomes of technocratic centrist “solutions” that are huge failures. Pot, kettle, in other words.

As an example I would point to “ed reform”. Ohio has adopted each and every technocratic centrist ed reform gimmick that came down the pike. It’s been a fucking unmitigated disaster. We’ve dropped from 7th in the country in public education to 27th. The whole state is lousy with vouchers and charter schools and online edtech garbage and not only has ed reform not “improved” public education, it will likely destroy public education. I’m willing to examine my priors. Are centrists? Because they have some explaining to do too.

*As an aside – I want to encourage dissent and I know mistermix does too. I want you all to feel free to disagree, on anything. If you are uncomfortable disagreeing in the comments email me and I’ll post your dissent while protecting your identity AND/OR have your back if you go public with a good faith dissent.

 

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Dennis Doubleday1 year ago

I still wonder if Dems are running on the wrong things, or if this was just a case of basic structure of the party (and circumstances) being "off".

In the 2024 election, I will make the case that main problem is that a big chunk of the American electorate just doesn't want to vote for a woman for President. I've seen it in my own relatives: "I ain't votin' for no woman for President." I don't know how much "black woman" entered into it, but given that Harris didn't really excite black voters the way Obama did, it probably didn't help.

More generally, we have a geriatric leadership problem because from the top to the bottom of the party structure, the "wait your turn" ethos is strong. And the entitlement of aging, ill Democratic politicians is also strong. Two Reps just died in office mere months after the most recent election, one in which they could have gracefully passed the baton. This gave Speaker Johnson more room for his thin majority.

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Dennis Doubleday1 year ago

Ran out of room on prior comment: related point, because Biden wanted to hang on when he clearly was out of steam, the Dems didn't get to pick the best candidate in the primaries. It was either Harris (who didn't win any primaries when she bailed out in 2020), or ugly down-the-stretch infighting for the nomination.

I voted for both Clinton and Harris, obviously, but being a woman is flying into a powerful headwind in Presidential election politics.

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Tam R1 year ago

My day was crazy yesterday so I’m only getting to this now. Thank you Kay for posting. It seems like everyone is getting caught up on labeling Klein rather than listening to what they are saying. Housing is a necessity. Food, clothing, shelter are the basic needs. Wages were stagnant for decades while the cost of everything increased and then we had an economic collapse in 2008 and housing never recovered. Meanwhile the Democratic Party at the municipal, state and federal levels had no plan for it and only started talking about it with a new candidate who came in during the final months of the campaign and who proposed assistance with down payments while a massive shortage of inventory and median housing costs that priced young people and seniors out of the market. At the same time so many surrogates and supporters were basically denying that it was a problem. Affordable housing is not a centrist issue and yet the Democratic Party totally missed it.

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Tam R1 year ago

If Democrats are going to be the party that believes government can be an effective force in making our lives better than we need to be more effective in actually delivering on our legislative successes, limited as they are, because no one associates them with Democrats because it takes so long if it ever happens. Go talk to ordinary people. We lost ground in blue states because we are not able to deliver. We need to figure out how to fast track implementation. Our inability to deliver feeds into the decades long messaging by republicans that government is inefficient and not worth funding. These are not left right issues. Trying to impose the horizontal spectrum theory of politics is both inaccurate and irrelevant.

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Linda Carruthers1 year ago

The dichotomy between social issues and economic issues is simply ridiculous. Salient political issues are always both. A competent political Party ensures that they pay attention to making links between them always. A competent political Party also runs candidates in every election, in every electorate. I understand the US Dems are less a political Party as usually understood, and more an unwieldy and too wide coalition in a two Party system, but for heaven’s sake, you don’t have to run the same kind of candidate in every electorate. Just fucking run!

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tam1MI 1 year ago

It seems like the one thing the rightmost and leftmost parts of the Democratic Party emphatically agree on is that the Dems need to run on the economy almost exclusively, and ignore social issues. Here is the problem I see with that - social issues will become a dominating campaign issue whether or not Dems run on them.

Look at the last election. Kamala Harris talked about her plans for fighting inflation. I seem to recall she had a plan to help out first time homebuyers. What I don't seem to recall is her talking about trans rights or systemic racism. Meanwhile the Republicans screamed "TRANS!!! TRANS!!! ICKY ICKY TRANS!!!" over and over with an occasional side of "ANTI-SEMITISM!!!" and nearly ran the damn table because they got no pushback whatsoever on it.

Ignoring social issues simply doesn't work for Dem candidates because the Republicans, with the active complicity of the legacy media, will make them a campaign issue.

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mister mixAuthor1 year ago

I agree that we need to address social issues, not running away from trans rights or other attacks on vulnerable populations. because it's the right thing to do and, as you point out, it doesn't work politically anyway.

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Scott H1 year ago

We can't run on exclusively econ issues because we as Dems are far apart on a lot of fundamental econ issues, just look at my screaming here about the abundance crap or my comments about similar policies at another blog where 'abundance' Dems dominate.

I read something interesting in terms of campaign semantics that play into the social issue area. The author compared, at a really basic level, how Harris and Trump conveyed a basic message (or at least how it was interpreted):

Harris ran on 'they/them', Trump ran on 'you'.

The key in terms of (D) messaging is how to convey that all the 'they/them' stuff, ie., social issues, can be sold as a 'you' thing.

I've yet to see any authoritative data/analysis tho saying that Harris lost votes from pushing various social issues which means there's nothing to be lost by sticking with such core (D) issues.

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Tam R1 year ago

No one is proposing ignoring or not running (whatever that means) on social issues. What is happening is that we are perceived as only being focused on social issues and not economic issues. I don’t think that is accurate but that is absolutely the perception out there. We lost ground with Black men and Latin men in the last election. We are losing ground with more diverse voters. Economics IS a Justice issue and we are losing the argument.

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Ken In MN1 year ago

I think David Sirota had the best response to this whole topic, pointing out the glaring holes and possibly deliberate omissions in their argument.

https://www.levernews.com/abundance-is-how-dems-lose-to-trump/

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Scott H1 year ago

In case people can't see it: https://archive.ph/0ru0a

Scroll down to "The Choice for Democrats" to get an idea of what's going on.

Good piece from Sirota for a change. :)

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Sepideh M1 year ago

I think some of this might resonate but not in the way they think it does.

There is some regulatory capture going on where large companies support regulations that small companies are never going to be able to implement. They also oppose most meaningful regulation so they will update a regulation to push out smaller competitors and not really address whatever the issue is.

With the zoning thing, zoning is not the ONLY issue. The salaries not keeping up with the costs of things that have outpaced inflation. The things that have outpaced inflation include housing, a college education, and health care.

LALALA Obamacare, I cannot hear you is not the answer to healthcare being on the list.

There are a lot of young people coming down with serious cancers.

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Tam R1 year ago

What do you mean by lalalala Obamacare? I just switched to an ACA plan and I am paying $800 less than my employer sponsored plan. Also a huge factor in why we kept the insurance framework is because labor unions had been negotiating for better health insurance and lifetime benefits in lieu of wage increases and they did not want to lose those hard fought benefits. Labor unions provided the money and the organizing to pass the ACA. We would not have passed anything without them. If we are going to expand access it is going to be similar to the way Canadian provinces did it - incremental expansion of Medicare and Medicaid. Anyone who thinks it is going to happen with massive legislative changes is delusional.

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mister mixAuthor1 year ago

If the abundance agenda truly means that everyone gets a slice of the pie, as I said in that other piece, sign me up. Tim Walz would agree.

But the issue is this cycle: outsourcing to private contractors leads to waste and abuse --> government adds more regulation to cut down on the private contractors' waste/abuse --> regulation leads to slow dispersal of services --> government gets hammered for "inefficiency".

So, if we're going to make a coalition that includes abundance agenda advocates, those advocates need to be real about two things: we've had too much outsourcing, and when we do outsource, it is inevitable that waste, fraud and abuse will increase as we decrease "red tape".

Klein is getting a lot of attention for complaining about rural broadband, which is a perfect example of how the effort to rein in waste has led to a long plodding rollout. I need to see more from him on waste/abuse.

Also, 100% agree with Kay on dissent. Thanks Tam R for writing in.

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Scott H1 year ago

Outsourcing is part of the neoliberal racket so of course lifetime bloggers like Little Ezra are peddling this fundamental component of Reaganism.

The outsourcing of government services is the road to tyranny. Every time you contract away the public good to a for-profit company democracy dies.

They lead off with "it saves money" when outsourcing services always costs the more than if they simply staffed up internally. They'll claim “I don’t have to worry about this, vendor X will solve this problem for me”, you will get screwed. You need to get every detail into the contract, and ride them to deliver on everything to your satisfaction.

Outsourcing firms throw cheap bodies at tasks, they deploy resources stupidly and haphazardly according to their profit motive, and they live in a world where running up the bill, not delivering a working system, is the end goal.

It's about blatantly creating an environment of public frustration to push for further cuts and eventual privatization.

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mister mixAuthor1 year ago

I think there's been way too much outsourcing.

But there's also some areas where it's inefficient for government to maintain a capability -- like, say, road construction vs highway maintenance. Some construction should be outsourced.

The pendulum has swung way too far towards contracting all of it. But there's a place for contractors.

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Scott H1 year ago

Road construction is one of my wheelhouses given who I worked for for 27+ years.

Any significant road project is contracted out, has been for a gazillion years. Some state DOTs do a really good job in their oversite and managment roles, MoDOT and KDOT are two I know really well and are excellent agencies with excellent track records.

Others, like PennDOT and here in CO, CDOT, suck at it and the end results show.

I'm not arguing with how the general system you've brought up is working nationally when it comes to the generic subject of "roads", when done right, residents love their state DOTs and don't mind throwing money at them knowing it'll be spend well with appreciable results.

I could talk your ear off on this particular subject. ;)

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TXG1112 1 year ago

Technocratic centrism isn’t a coherent political philosophy, it’s the culmination of fallacy that social problems can be solved with technical solutions. They become big grifting engines and when there is a revenue stream, there will exist defenders of it.

Nimbyism is a scourge that must be destroyed, but it’s hard issue to deal with. The two most salient issues in US politics are racism and parking policy and everything is downstream from that.

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Scott H1 year ago

Screw the Abundance Agenda. It's simply Reaganism with liberal PR. I see this play out with the pale-blue entitled white urbanist Dems who lap this crap up.

Better, long-form critique: https://www.lukewsavage.com/p/the-paucity-of-abundance

And a really good one from the great Zephyr Teachout: https://washingtonmonthly.com/2025/03/23/an-abundance-of-ambiguity/

And this: https://prospect.org/economy/2024-11-26-abundance-agenda-neoliberalisms-rebrand/

This is nothing more than another stage in the Dems "gentrification problem" which we've seen play out with disastrous consequences in 16 and 24. The majority of Dems in the House are in formal caucuses that love slick, technocratic pols like Polis, Newsom and Shapiro. Their policies are aimed at white, urban professionals who want to be lied to and will never admit that what they believe is unpopular with voters we'd otherwise reach. Clowns like Yglesias, Klein, the Atlantic, etc., are just doing fan service for meek hall monitors.

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Scott H1 year ago

Abundance liberals exist to put a nicer face on the tech billionaire agenda. They whine about insufficient loyalty from the left but they casually chat with Thiel protégés like Solana, Yglesias even did a fundraiser with Trump supporting billionaire Andreessen that Gallego from AZ prominently attended.

David Fucking Brooks of all people wrote about this earlier in the year. He outlined how “Abundance Liberalism” emerges from a collaboration between libertarian think tanks, the authoritarian tech right, and corporate backed third way think tanks. Brooks, as a conservative, endorses this of course. Yeah, as a lifetime Dem, I'm gonna cheer-lead the Party's move in that direction.

The last 40 years have seen a reversal of a historical trend of increasing equality in the US. "Abundance" focuses on deregulation and efficiency. Zero downward distribution of wealth. It's early aughts neoliberalism with new verbiage.

You encouraged dissent, well, you'll get it in spades on this topic.

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Kay W.1 year ago

It's fine to disagree. I will say though that in both podcasts Klein agreed wholeheartedy that we have to and should increase taxes on the rich. He went out of his way to agree with us (I too think progressive taxation is key) on that.

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Scott H1 year ago

I'm gonna quote Adam:

"Ezra Klein has never done anything but blog. That's been his job since he was an undergraduate. He has absolutely no experience doing anything else. Meaning he doesn't have any firsthand knowledge or experience of how anything works. Which makes everything he didn't think of wrong or a conspiracy."

Many of us have been pushing back at "trickle down" since 1980 and here we are, 45 years later, still pushing back. Klein gets mad at leftists calling him a libertarian but I’ve yet to hear him respond to the libertarians calling him a libertarian which has happened frequently since he hit the road to pitch this grift.

This is another aspect of the "voluntary bullshit orthodoxy machine", essentially about the elite agenda setters on the liberal + centrist beats of which Little Ezra is a poster child.

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John B1 year ago

He did start and help run Vox (not just write) for a number of years.

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Scott H1 year ago

Another refutation of "abundance": https://thebaffler.com/latest/abundance-mindset-bronzini-vender?utm_source=heymistermix.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=the-poverty-of-the-abundance-agenda

The Abundance Agenda is Andreesen for Libs. One can’t help but notice that the Abundance Agenda is a warmed over version of one of the most psychotic documents ever written, Marc Andreesen’s “Techno Optimist Manifesto”.

There is no daylight between Ezra's Reaganite bullshit and Andreesen's techno fascism That's why "Abundance" is bad.

The fact the Abundance crowd specifically lays the blame on over-regulation from the 1970s means they are literally doing Reagan's 1980 campaign. The point of all this Dem influencer buzz is basically a neoliberal answer to left populism.

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Scott H1 year ago

Anyway final thought on the ‘abundance’ shit for now is that anyone telling you labor unions are part of the problem, particularly as we are still at the absolute nadir of union density in this country, is not someone who you should enter into any relation other than combat with.

The “Abundance” initiative comes out of the Koch network with the usual vision of progress and prosperity thru free markets and minimal government intervention. It’s closely connected to the Koch Stand Together and the Foundation for American Innovation.

The juxtaposition of the AOC/Sanders's rallies and the Abundance discourse is too perfectly timed. Like before you are two paths for the Democratic Party: one technocratic elitist and capitalist; one populist and social democratic. https://x.com/keithdorejel/status/1903291108810953202 Neoliberalism gets discredited, so they rebrand. So very corporate of them.